Seriously...do we have a REAL reason why Lee doesn't play?

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  1. Ahab the Arab

    Ahab the Arab Veteran Member

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    What you want? Me to sing it to you! I already acknowledged that he isn't cutting it either, but nonetheless he is by far the better of the two, and that is why he is starting and JL is the his reserve.
     
  2. Ahab the Arab

    Ahab the Arab Veteran Member

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    Oh he can most certainly do a lot worse, but with this dysfunctional of an offense, it doesn't matter if he does worse because we can't win the SEC anyway. Hence, let him play anyway.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You didn't quote any of them. You just invoke their name and expect us to believe you.

    I repeat: Which coaches and players have stated that Jefferson is "unequivocally" better than Lee. You can't do it. You made it up.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Yes, in latin, to the tune of "Don't Cry for me Argentina". :grin:
     
  5. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    the really sad thing is that jj even playing as he is now may make lsu the best it can be.

    im ready to see lee but an o that does little is better than an o that gives up 6. jj is not turning it over much and is not getting sacked much.

    i want jl to get the first half vs ut. he's been around a little longer and the pass protection and running game are better---maybe jl will click.
     
  6. Ahab the Arab

    Ahab the Arab Veteran Member

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    Well in 2008, JL set a new NCAA single season record for pick sixes with 7 of them in 16 interceptions in just 8 starts, and in 2009, JJ’s first year of starting, JJ threw just 7 interceptions in a full year. Hence, it’s unequivocal that JJ is far better at handling the pressure of SEC defenses.

    Not really, if JL was the better of the two QBs he would be the starter, but he is not because he isn’t the better of the two. How’s that for facts? Unless you believe that there is some sort of sinister plot by the coaching staff and players to destroy JL’s career.

    Read your post again, then go look in the mirror.

    Actually, the La Tech game last season, the one JL started, was far worse.

    Go re-watch the 2008 season and the Bama and La Tech games from last season. Howerver, since this offense is so dysfunctional in any event and since we can’t win the SEC with this offense, what the hell let JJ start against Tennessee!
     
  7. Fishhead

    Fishhead Founding Member

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    No, actually he CAN'T do worse. Last is the worst there can be, and JJ is last. I know you're referring to pick 6s. If WVU's DBs could run without tripping over their own feet, there was a pick 6 last night. If their DBs could catch, there was more than two picks. No, Lee could NOT have done any worse. In that game, or the Vandy game. AND...while the pick 6s are the obvious flaw in Lee's game, Lee can throw and isn't afraid to. So I can surmise that although Lee can't do worse, he CAN do better.

    I have not been a fan of Lee starting in a LONG time...and I have defended JJ. But I cannot do it anymore. Like I said, let Shep be the friggin' QB. At least it'll be exciting...
     
  8. Ahab the Arab

    Ahab the Arab Veteran Member

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    You don’t read and watch videos? By the way, when was the last time JL started a game?

    Well to paraphrase Miles, he said that JL has made immense improvement from this year to this year, and if JJ was the same QB he was last season, that JL would be the starter today. He also said after the MSU game last week and to paraphrase again, that the JJ that we saw against MSU managing the offense and hitting his receivers on the money, was the same JJ we see everyday at practice.
     
  9. Ahab the Arab

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    In my best MaDonna voice? :grin:
     
  10. Ahab the Arab

    Ahab the Arab Veteran Member

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    Actually, I disagree. If you believe that Lee can’t do worse, go watch the La Tech game from last season again. Had Lee played last night under the same kind of pressure JJ was under in the second half, as slow as he is he would have been sacked several times and also probably thrown several interceptions, as when he doesn’t have the time to set his feet before he throws, he becomes very erratic. If he felt intimidated by a decimated weak La Tech team last season, I can only imagine how intimidated by the pressure he would have been last night against WVU. In fact, I believe that had Lee started the second half last night, that we probably would have lost that game.

    No, I’m talking about Lee’s overall play. His main problem is he can’t handle the speed of the SEC game because he is too slow. Watch Lee, when he can’t get his feet set, his passing becomes very erratic and willy-nilly. Not to mention that he can’t read defenses very well, and in Crowton’s read option offense where the QBs and the receivers both have to read defenses, Lee and the receivers often make different reads, and then when JL is pressured, he throws the ball where he thinks the receivers will be, however the receivers a lot of time ran a completely different route altogether, resulting in needless incompletions and interceptions. Whereas JJ, on the other hand, uses his feet to buy him enough time until the receivers make their cuts then throws it, resulting in far less interceptions.

    Moreover, when JL is in the game, defenses can cheat and swarm to the ball because they know he can’t run the ball, and this will make the running game far less effective.

    Nevertheless, I still think JL should get a start because since this offense is so dysfunctional it won’t matter in any event because there is no way we win the SEC with this atrocious offense.
     

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