Rumored south upper expansion sometime between 2012 and 2025??!!

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  1. TigerKid05

    TigerKid05 Say Whaa!?!?

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    I think the only thing that LSU would do to the south end is a tear down and rebuild. it could use it.
     
  2. 2arms2legsTIGER

    2arms2legsTIGER Founding Member

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    Am I in the minority in thinking that LSU shouldn't ever consider building a new stadium even if it makes more financial sense? It's not like LSU has a really tight budget. I think TS, it's history, tradition, and mystique are worth much more to the fans and the school than the difference in money that it would cost to renovate as opposed to build new.

    Have any of you seen what most modern stadiums look like now? Most have tons of exposed steel and look like some kind of erector set. Sure you can brick in a few columns but TS is built like a freaking bank vault and I love that. It has a feel to it that new stadiums never duplicate. It's the difference b/w that the lobby of the big old downtown branch of a bank, with it's high ceilings, thick bars of metal, marble, all around solid vs that new bank feel that has the carpeting, built more like a McDonalds, feels hollow, and you question whether any of that marble is real or if it's .2" thick with drywall behind it.

    We'll always have the money to keep TS up, it's just a matter of people wanting it. I think with a good thorough renovation of some lower bowl areas, using some newer materials to keep the environment at bay, TS could last as long as we want with periodic maintenance. I'm more than happy to put-up with the current traffic conditions and such as long as it means I'm getting my same old TS.

    Also, the trend with new stadiums has been to reduce capacity, if not overall then certainly in the sideline areas so big spenders with fat asses can practically have a recliner to sit in. Even if capacity would remain the same or more I'd put my money on the designers making up for it in the upper decks. The only way I'd even entertain wanting a new place is if they kept the same field and that can't really happen b/c there really isn't anywhere I can think of for LSU to play while that goes on. Show me a design that resembles TS in style and construction, has the same or more capacity even closer to the field, and has an unbelievably amazing surrounding and I'd listen to ya. Having more hot dog stands, bathrooms, gift shops, is such a cop out thing for building a new stadium. It's supposed to be for football not designed around how fast you can fill your fat ass with nachos and make it to the bathroom and back to your lounge chair on the 45 yd line.

    PS: Not to say that this would for sure happen but up in Pittsburgh people go to the Pirates game more for the experience than the game now. Hardly anyone watches or cares about what's happening on the diamond. They're there with their family, staring at the skyline, having conversation about this and that, sending their kids to the in stadium "kid's area", and participating in stupid stadium games in during the 7th inning. Everyone goes home happy win or lose b/c no one watched or cared. Even in LSU's worst year's that wouldn't happen. Basically, Pirates games have become a way for Dad to blow a lot of money to keep the family entertained for the day and not about the game.
     
  3. Berge

    Berge Founding Member

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    Down on the ground in the N endzone, only the East and West sidelines would be able to hear the band. The sound would not carry all the way across to the south endzone, and neither upper deck would have any chance to hear anything.

    Thorny brought up a good point about the down cheers. At away stadiums, we frequently miss downs because no one knows what down it is until too late on close yardage situations, trying to watch the screens.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Tradition is fine, but the realities of safety and income cannot be ignored. The oldest parts of Tiger Stadium, the lower sidelines, were built in 1924, The entire lower bowl is at least 50 years old. The ramps, portals, concessions, and restrooms are inadequate for the modern capacity. But worse, as the steel and concrete approach 100 years old, they will become structurally unsound. Already there are some structural concerns in the old portions of the lower bowl.

    Secondly, those are the sections where the high-paying sideline seats are. The folks paying $400 a seat contributions are seeing their money build fancy new club leats for the fat cats in the new upper decks. They are increasingly shrill to the AD about improvements to their dark and crowded ramp areas. Improvements that cannot be done without replacing the lower bowl.

    So, sooner or later the lower bowl must be replaced and none of the original Tiger Stadium will remain. So it really doesn't make much difference if they build a new Tiger Stadium nearby or build a new stadium in place, except . . . that there isn't enough space where the stadium now sits and we could build a far bigger, more modern one, with more close parking that will last another 100 years for much less money. Not to mention the loss of two years of revenue from TS being shut down for rennovation.
     
  5. StaceyO

    StaceyO Football Turns Me On

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    All of your points make a lot of sense, but I would definitely miss the mystique and history of Tiger Stadium. Most of us here have a very serious attachment to the place.

    I've noticed, too, that the new trend is for a sports venue to BE the attraction, rather than what you're there to watch. Something about that seems so fake to me.
     
  6. 2arms2legsTIGER

    2arms2legsTIGER Founding Member

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    So why not renovate those old sections in pieces... As soon as the season is done, tear down one sideline part, maybe except for the facade, and redo it. At worst you start the next season without sideline seats on one side.... Then do it on the other side the year after. TS would still keep it's aura and feel the same and be using the same plot of grass to play on. Something about building a new stadium somewhere else doesn't sit right with me. I'm sure one could get used to it but why just "get used to something" if you can keep something great? I guess my vote is for piece by piece renovations keeping the facades and general atmosphere the same as long as LSU is fielding a football team. You think any new stadium design would actually get more fans closer to the game without pissing off the old fat cats who want their double-wide chairs with cup-holders? Do big D1 schools who have built new stadiums recently even install bench seating anymore?
     
  7. The Gov.

    The Gov. Founding Member

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    What do you think that would put our capacity to? 108,000 or so?
     
  8. LSUDork

    LSUDork LSU Drumline '00-'04

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    the only problem i'd have would be losing the aesthetics of the dormitories in each endzone. You already can't see the sides, but we need to leave the endzones open for storytelling.
     
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  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well, LSU basketball used to play in the old Gym/Armory. Later they moved into the Parker Agricultural arena. Now they play in the PMAC. Someday soon the PMAC will be replaced, too.

    Alex Box stadium is obsolete and being replaced in the next couple of years despite its popularity and fame. But the new Alex Box will be a tremendous facility that will attract top recruits and coaches as well as season ticket holders.

    The modern game forces teams to improve facilities or be left behind by the competition. The tradition goes with the team, not the concrete. A new Tiger Stadium would certainly be designed to resemble the original, just bigger, shinier, and more comfortable.
     
  10. captainpodnuh

    captainpodnuh Baseball at da Box

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    Let's hope that if the band moves to the middle of the North endzone, that they are placed at the top, in the existing student section. If ticketing tries to move the season ticket holders in the middle of the NEZ, a riot may break out. I, for one, love my seats and don't care to relocate.:cuss:
     

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