Rubio on Gun Control

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by Perple, Mar 3, 2016.

  1. mobius481

    mobius481 Registered Member

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    It wasn't my house, it was my mother in laws. I think she knows already that they are both packing at all times. Makes me more comfortable knowing that we will have the firepower to blow someone away if they interrupt our friday night dinners though. My neighborhood has been around for 15 years and there has never once been a violent crime in it but you never know right?
     
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  2. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    Calling Mobius a liberal is hilarious. He's far from it. You, and people like you, cannot seem to grasp that there are such things as common sense gun regulation that does not interfere with one's 2nd Amendment rights. Recently deceased justice Antonin Scalia, a staunch conservative, has even said as much from the bench. This kind of all or nothing thinking is exactly what has our country is such a mess. To deny that there are limitations on any freedom is simply embracing falsehoods. The 1st amendment protects free speech but doesn't allow for someone to walk into a crowded theater and scream, "fire!" The 2nd amendment protects an individuals right to bear arms but does it mean they can own a bazooka or a tank or a nuclear weapon or walk around with a firearm on their hip in a church, playground or school? When I see someone walking around with a gun on their hip the first thing I think of is, "how big of a pussy does this guy have to be? how many times has he had his ass kicked that he feels compelled to wear a gun around? and further, if a group of terrorists came barrelling through the door right now does this imbicile even possess the intestinal fortitude to take cover and lay down a base of fire?" The answer to the last question is probably not. I am a gun owner and I have a license to carry it but the only time I take it out of my home is when I travel with my family. I do not take it anywhere else. The chances of being hit by lightening are 1 in a million, while the chances of being shot in a mass shooting are 1 in 7.8 million and dying from said gunshot wound are about 1 in 15 million. So, to put this into proper perspective the argument that carrying a gun around will stop mass shootings is the equivalent of arguing that wearing a grounded lightning rod at all times is the only way to prevent lightning strikes from killing you. This is the level of absurdity that this argument has taken on.
     
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  3. LSUpride123

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    Since when to criminals use common sense? Much less follow the law?
     
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  4. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    you have to stop making sense to make some folks happy. Hyperbole is the only way to win an argument.
     
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  5. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    and that means that we should all carry around weapons just in case? you are also more likely to die in an auto accident by a drunk driver, who is also a criminal breaking the law, but does that mean we should all start driving armored cars and trucks? your logic breaks down as soon as it is put to the fire and for the life of me, Pride, I can't figure out where this burning desire for all things guns comes from. Like I've said, I own several guns, I enjoy hunting and shooting skeets with my son, I like the sense of protection they provide to me and my family. Some of them are also family heirlooms and they help remind me of hunting trips I had with my Dad and Granddad. All of that said, it doesn't bother me one iota to have to wait an extra day or so while I am run through the system to ensure I am not a felon or mentally ill, etc. Never once in my life have I felt the need to purchase a weapon on impulse or because I "needed" it right away. I personally do not have a problem with assault weapons and I think we know enough to say that the ban on them didn't really work like expected. That said, we need to draw a line at what is appropriate for a private citizen to own as far as firepower goes. A private citizen shouldn't be able to own hand grenades or an RPG. We should have an active background check system, nation wide, that would ensure guns aren't getting into the hands of people who are a threat to themselves or society. No, it will not stop every one but it will prevent some and it will help law enforcement crack down on the illegal gun trade which is where most habitual criminals get their guns to begin with. Further, what it will not do is prevent any law abiding citizen from getting their weapon of choice as soon as their background is cleared.
     
  6. LSUpride123

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    WOW use some line spacing next time dork.

    Second, why do you jump to RPG's and grenades? LOL like WTF???

    Third, are we talking about guns or drunk drivers?

    Fourth, guns laws are mostly moot and pointless. We have them. Hundreds of millions of guns in the US alone. Already here.

    Fifth, how many mass shootings were spur of the moment vs. planned?

    Sixth, do you really think waiting 2 extra days prevents mass shooting? If so, how?
     
  7. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    So it's kind of like inviting a vampire in your house? If you ask first it renders his or her weapon powerless?
     
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  8. Perple

    Perple Founding Member

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    Bubba Clinton had a "Common sense" approach to gun control too. Now Americans are much more heavily armed due directly to misguided Democrat's actions.

    He did not understand that the 2nd Amendment is a right, NOT a suggestion.

    The 2nd Amendment will not stop mass killings, be it from guns, pipe bombs, knives etc. However, it has stopped crimes in progress, resulting in fewer injuries or death to innocent people. Also a fact.

    How individuals choose to exercise that right or not, is up to them.
     
  9. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    Aaaahhhhh....it's good to be back

    Where do we draw the line. I said very clearly that I see no problems with assault weapons but where do we draw the line? It needs to be defined.

    this is a matter of choice. I would be just fine with enforcing existing gun laws with some minor revisisions here and there to keep them out of the hands of the mentally ill specifically. in case you haven't noticed mass shooters don't come in a sane variety.

    I don't the answer but if there is good research on it I'd like to take a look.....when dealing with someone who is not sane, I don't know that there is a set pattern with how they go about it

    The time frame is irrelevant, back ground checks happen to make sure that criminals and mentally ill people don't get them. these mass shootings are not being carried out by common criminals, they are being perpetrated by mentally ill young men who have too much access to weapons. I used a few days as an example of how long a thorough, cross country background check might take.
     
  10. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    I've already addressed this and acknowledged that it wasn't effective. Why do you bring it up?

    How so?

    Thanks for repeating your right-wing talking points. Further, no one is questioning whether it is a right or not, knucklehead. We all know gun ownership is a right but we can also be smart about it and do our best to keep guns out of the hands of people who might harm themselves or others with it. Specifically the mentally ill who are the ones committing mass shootings.

    Let's see your facts on this one. What percentage of mass shootings have been stopped or avoided because of a person carrying a weapon and fending off the attackers?
     

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