Politics Roe v Wade

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  1. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    A few questions to both sides
    1) Are you willing to put women who have abortions in jail?
    2) Are you willing to jail doctors, nurses and hospital administrators in jail?
    3) Are you willing to put the husband and boyfriends who pay for abortion in jail?
    4) Are you willing to force fathers to support their children or go to jail? It happens to precious few.
    5) Are you willing to face the fact that medical science has brought the age of viable birth To 20 weeks or so?
    6) Are you willing to provide birth control and counseling to prevent unwanted pregnancy?
    7) Are you willing to see that at a certain point the life of the fetus deserves consideration?
    8) Are you willing to allow religiously run medical institutions and practitioners follow their belief and no provide abortion services?
    9) Are you capable of understanding and willing to accept that in some pregnancies fetuses are so damaged or die that abortion is the only compassionate and medically acceptable solution?
    10) Can both sides understand that there are extremes that can’t be accommodated and that some compromise is needed to survive as a country and society?
    Frankly the take no prisoners positions on both sides does nothing to reach a livable solution. As I said earlier extreme cases make for bad laws. We need to find a solution people can live with
     
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  2. Jmg

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    what is the solution then
     
  3. Rex

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    We had a very sensible solution. One of the best bits of jurisprudence in this country's history. Protected every actual person. Roe v. Wade.

    This notion that a fertilized egg is a person, soul, "unborn child" is RELIGIOUS ABSURDITY, pure and simple. No basis in science, no basis in sense.

    It seems to me that these miserable anti-abortionists want zygote "souls" to actually experience life, in which they can then run the chance of fucking up and winding up in hell. Because those nutcases have proven they sure don't want to look out for the welfare of those children once they're born. It's never been about "unborn children"... it's about winning some brownie points with their celestial overlord for themselves.
     
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  4. Jmg

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    well not babies, and especially not black babies, which of course you dont care about
     
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  5. Rex

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    Zygotes and blastocysts and fetuses are not "babies", you relentless liar.
     
  6. Jmg

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    yes we know where you stand on black children
     
  7. Rex

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    You want ACTUAL black people to be reproductive slaves and/or to die.

    Black women choose abortion at a higher rate because they're poorer at a higher rate, and are less able to afford the necessary medical care nor the children that would otherwise be born. You already know that, of course, but you're reaching for excuses to burden and criminalize black people.

    As for the black children, themselves, I favor their universal healthcare, government subsidized pre-K, and government subsidized daycare so that their mothers can go out and earn a decent living for them. Where do YOU stand on those issues, you racist hypocrite?
     
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  8. Jmg

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    no i dont i am pro-choice, but you are in favor of killing black babies, which is no surprise you are a racist hypocrite

    yes we know you want them dead you klansman
    are you trying to parody yourself? have you ever noticed when i say that the liberals have one goal, calling others racist hypocrites?
     
  9. Jmg

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    and you are all too eager to let them kill thier precious tiny black children

    its weird every issue, like literally every issue you care about tends to hurt blacks disproportionally
     
  10. mctiger

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    Except that Roe v Wade is not a law, it is a judicial "opinion." And like any opinion, it is open to debate. It is not a law; the Constitution says a judge (or even 9 Supreme Court justices) cannot pass a law. If RvW is revoked (and that still hasn't happened yet), then Congress will have the opportunity to pass a law, one way or another. If it chooses not to, the 50 state governments can each do so, under the terms of the 10th Amendment.

    It is even more based in science than in religion. Science is conclusive that life begins at the moment of conception. Does it specifically call that life a human being? Some may disagree, but all agree that at the moment of conception, DNA from the mother's egg and DNA from the father's sperm combine to create a unique, individual strand of DNA. Not part of the mother; it is a unique individual. That fact that it may consist in the beginning of 2 cells is irrelevant, until someone comes along and offers scientific evidence that concludes that human life is defined by a certain number of cells. It's called a zygote at conception, later a fetus and an embryo, but those are merely terms for a human at different stages of development. In terms of humanity, its no different from labelling a later form of development as "adolescence." Its just one more step in a developmental process that doesn't stop until death.
    Fetal development: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia
     
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