Richard Sherman on Patrick Peterson

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  1. asignupe99

    asignupe99 Founding Member

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    You let so much outside stuff cloud your judgment. Bad form is bad form regardless of who you're checking or what side of the field you're on, and unfortunately our guy has had a few hiccups this year because of bad form. He certainly deserves credit for following the #1 guy in every game...but he's been abused a few times as a result. Julio whipped his ass this year. He certainly wasn't great last night. Their scheme is their scheme. Seattle's scheme calls for aggression and manning your side of the field and Sherman is in a class of his own in that regard. Fact is, it doesn't matter who you put over there, he locks them down. Amazingly the only player that gave him a real go this year is a rookie...OBJ...or as NYers call him now, The ODB.

    PP could use the "side of the field" argument last year but not now with Revis and Haden doing the same thing, but much better.
     
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  2. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    I never said anything about Peterson being better than Sherman, I said Peterson does more, and it's easy to talk when all you have to do is cover 1 side, frequently match up against the other team's 3rd and 4th receiver.

    Not to mention Sherman is on the field less because his offense is better, and Maxwell, Chancellor and Thomas are far superior to Powers, Rashad Johnson and Cromartie. Switch em out, put Peterson on the Seahawks and Sherman on the Cards and I bet this conversation would be a lot different. That being said, I'm fully aware of Peterson's flaws, still doesn't mean I like Richard Sherman, who is undeniably a punk ass bitch. Like the little short guy in the bar who hangs out with a bunch of bad asses but he is the loudest one because he knows his boys will clean house when he starts a fight.
     
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    asignupe99 Founding Member

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    I didn't say you said he was better. I'm specifically talking about your dislike of Sherman clouding your judgment of how good he is. First off, frequently match up against the other teams 3rd or 4th receiver...you're reaching. Seattle has a system. Arizona has a system. They both have responsibilities in their respective systems. The fact that QBs stay away from him is testament to his skill level. Coaches scheme against staying away from him. That's respect.

    And I get it, you dislike the guy. He's a big mouth. This is true. He talks too much. This is also true. But your analogy of the guy in the bar doesn't quite add up because while Sherman barks loud, he also bites. If you didn't dislike the person you wouldn't be saying any of this.
     
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    I do not at all mind Sherman talking smack because he more than backs it up. He shuts down whoever he is guarding. Most CB's talk a lot of smack, it goes with the position. Peterson talks his share. Mathieu talks as much as anyone.
     
  5. LSUTyga73

    LSUTyga73 Football Connoisseur

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    Yeah this hasn't been a good year for Peterson at all. Might be he's just too big to be a CB, that he can't move his feet quick enough or change direction fast enough. There's probably about 10-15 CBs, if not more who are having a better season than him. The offense hasn't been right all year adding to the woes. What a waste of a great season for the the Cardinals. They are definitely a Super Bowl contender with Palmer at QB
     
  6. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    I dislike him sure, but facts are facts. He can't play the left side, he has a veritable all star squad around him, he gets away with murder, consistently mugs receivers, and yes, he is always going against the other teams 2nd through 4th best receiver 90 percent of the time. You notice he didn't have shit to say when he was covering Bryant or Beckham.

    He would not be the same corner on another team and he is definitely no Revis.
     
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  7. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    I think a lot of people thought Peterson would have about 5 seasons at corner and then be moved to safety, he is just so big. But that arm tackling isn't gonna work.
     
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    I do not think it is his size, it is his poor mechanics. He also relies too much on his speed. This is by far his worst year, maybe he was pressing too much after the big contract.
     
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    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    he was the best corner in the league last year according to many. its a fickle business and constantly changing. hes had a worse year obviously than last but they all cant be winners. he'll adjust.
     
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  10. asignupe99

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    So humor me...since he only plays one side of the field, who makes the decision on who lines up against him? Do you think he says, "Hey Mr. Opposing Teams Coaches. I'm lined up on the right side so could you please not send your best guy over on this side of the field?" No! He earned a reputation as a guy you throw away from or you don't put your best receiver against him because he shuts them down. Seattle is not the only team that schemes this way. They're just the best at it. You keep bringing up these safeties but they're free to be great because he rarely needs their help! It's a system. You don't think he's a key cog in that system? I'll tell you this...that is a totally different defense if he's not locking up his side of the field. Chancellor can't be in the box defending the run if Sherman isn't locking up his side of the field. Thomas can't always be around the ball if Sherman isn't locking up his side of the field. You think the people around him make him great. Every analyst walking thinks it's the other way around.

    And it's interesting you brought up Bryant. The internet is so great. Guess what happened in that Dallas game? Sherman did what you said he can't do...he played the left side because Maxwell got hurt and Seattle didn't want to put Simon on Dez. They went against their scheme and had Sherman follow Dez. Romo targeted him six times. Dez caught two including one fade that Dez made a super athletic play to catch. His final stat line was 4 catches for 63 yards. Romo also had to go away from him several times because Sherman had him locked up. What did Dez say after the game? He called Sherman one of, if not the, best. Sherman was equally complimentary of Dez.

    Odell ran a great route and beat Sherman for a big gainer. Otherwise, Sherman locked him. He did the rest of his damage against the other defenders. Sherman cannot run with him though. Even still, he has so much respect for ODB that they exchanged jerseys after the game. ODB might have ascended to top dawg status among receivers already.

    Just admit you don't like the guy so you make up shit.
     
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