Reuben Randle looks to be a starter.

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  1. Attack Tiger

    Attack Tiger Reformed Sunshine Pumper

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    TT Closed out the year pretty solidly last year. He's one of JJ's favorite targets.

    Bama - 3 receptions for 34 yards.
    Troy - 4 for 54
    Ole Piss - 5 for 35
    ArKansas - 2 for 16
    Ga Tech - 2 for 17

    Terrance Toliver Stats, News, Photos - LSU Tigers - NCAA College Football - ESPN

    With the exception of the Troy game, these are comparable to LaFell's stats to close out the season:

    Bama - 4 for 74
    Troy - 12 for 126
    Ole Miss - 4 for 82
    ArKansas - 2 for 49
    GaTech - 2 for 26

    Brandon LaFell Stats, News, Photos - LSU Tigers - NCAA College Football - ESPN

    He got his hands on the ball almost as much as LaFell...which tells me he's just about as good at getting open. This is his breakout year...much like LaFell's was last year.

    RR will wait his turn.
     
  2. Fishhead

    Fishhead Founding Member

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    Again, we shall see.
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    And you're stats show a similar number of receptions...but the yardage is very lopsided. I wish there was a stat that showed the number of poor/wrong routes. THAT is my problem with TT.
     
  3. Bandit88

    Bandit88 Old Enough to Know Better

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    I'll never understand the idea behind arguing that KW and TT have not been given the chance to shine. It's as if some think CLM is purposefully not letting these players win games for LSU.

    Potential and practice are nice to ponder, but mean nothing in the end. And if the coaches don't put TT in a position to shine this year again, there will be a reason. And it won't be because the coaches are willing to risk wins for personal bias.
     
  4. LSU-SIU

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    So if a player is not getting into a game because it's a coach's decision than that player must in fact not be as good as the player that is getting the touches?

    In that case Williams is a ton better than Scott since he was got way more reps than Scott in his Freshman and Sophomore season, so why did Scott get on the field in his junior year... because he was the better fit and the better back for what they were trying to do. Based on Scott's limited playing time in his first two years and with his camps he was promoted to #1.... simple as that. The coach/es have an opinion too. Just because you don't get on the field is not always an indication of potential and skill, sometimes that is how the ball rolls.... it's called life.

    Throwing up a stupid strawman argument is not going to make me change my mind. I think TT provides the best option for LSU at that position, if you disagree I have no problem with that. Throwing up an avatar with a head-scratch is not going to change what I think.
     
  5. LSU-SIU

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    KW has definitely shined at times, he needed more work and admits to that. Actually he only has like a 100 yards less than Scott in his career. Scott is clearly the horse until proven otherwise. I think Williams has had a good career.

    TT has been set behind the following since he joined.
    Early Doucet
    Demetrius Byrd
    Brandon LaFell
    Trindon Holliday (special situations)

    KW has definitely had opportunity, I can't say the same thing about TT. Sorry last year was just a nightmare for the passing game.

    Here was the game plan for when Lee got in the game.
    1st down run Scott up the middle
    2nd down run Scott up the middle
    3rd down run Scott up the middle, if it got to 3rd down.

    until they started playing SEC teams and the Scott up the middle every play doesn't work and than it changed to.
    1st down run Scott up the middle
    2nd down run Scott up the middle
    3rd and 12, Lee in shotgun, pass to 3 receivers covered by 7-8 defensive guys.

    Not exactly a great way of showing off your WRs, Byrd was really hurt by the terrible play calling, TT wasn't even on the field until 3rd down and 12. TT only had 15 less receptions than Byrd yet he was probably not even on the field a third of the time.
     
  6. locoguano

    locoguano Founding Member

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    What it comes down to is "Who knows the Playbook?" If TT is way ahead in this department, he will stay #2. #3 is a good spot for a guy who knows PART of the playbook... He can learn the 3 and 4 WR set plays then pick up the rest as he goes.
     
  7. b_leblanc

    b_leblanc That's just my game...

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    Thank you.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No, it may be because a player is nursing an injury, or being disciplined, or doesn't understand the routes well, or bites on disguised coverages, or hasn't paid his dues yet. Lots of reasons. But the main reason a player is a reserve is because he's just not as good as the starter, it has always been that way.

    Scott was out with injuries a lot in his first two years, but whenever he has been healthy, he has always been the best.
     
  9. LSU-SIU

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    According to the coaching staff, which make mistakes all the time.

    Than why was he not the starter? I don't recall him ever starting until last year, if these guys are correct and coaches always knows who the best is... than Charles Scott was not the best... he was usually the 4th or 5th option in 2006 and that improved to 3rd or 4th option in 2007. He started one game in 2006, yet played in almost all of them... he was not hurt.

    Did Scott all of sudden get vastly better? No, Hester left, Vincent left, and Brossard quit... that simply made room for Scott, it's called waiting for your time and dealing with life. TT has had to wait also, nothing wrong with that... if judged a player by their first two seasons only just about all players would be bust.

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    He wasn't injured, he was waiting on his number to be called.

    He has done a great job of being patient and making the opportunity count. I don't feel like TT has had that same opportunity yet, we will see. Of course, this thread is starting to get to the rewriting history phrase anyway.
     
  10. Fishhead

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    No no no. YOU based you argument FOR TT on the fact that he hasn't seen the field much. THAT is the "stupid strawman argument"...your words...not mine.
     

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