sourdough, you said: "I will point out that if the Clinton Administration would have done the right thing with the Waco tragedy Oklahoma City wouldn't have happened." and this is not necessarilyu true, and it certainly isnt relevant. that is like saying if america did not support israel or have troops in "holy" places in the middle east, then bin laden would not murder new yorkers. the initial act does not justify the result. maybe if i sat quietly in my house amd never left, i would never get mugged. but my leaving does not justify my mugging. same thing with clinton, who really isnt even to blame for waco anyways.
Maybe I didn't say it the right way, I dunno? I still stand by that statement because all the evidence and news I heard suggested just that at the time. Go back and hear news reports at the time. You do have a good point here, news could have been wrong? Like I said above I told think we are always told the true story. I disagree, I think it could be relevant based on the news reports I heard at the time. Who is to blame when these agencies trample on peoples rights and kill Americans? Someone has to be responsible? I disagree with some of you here, Bush 41 and Clinton and their attorney general are responsible for the actions of domestic policy of mishandling or killing of Americans. Those where done by government agencies unlike the other attacks. Last I saw Americans still have rights? I would say that Clinton was no more responsible for the first WTC bombing than Bush 43 for 9-11. Mainly because those weren't done by government agencies like Waco and Ruby Ridge. Seriously, I will give what you guys have said some thought but every bit of evidence that I have seen suggests my conclusions such as if waco wouldn't have happened okc wouldn't either. Maybe I need to re-evaluate some of the news reports and information that I heard.
lets assume for the sake of argument that tim mcV would have calmed down and not blown up anything if he had not been angered by ruby ridge and waco. if that were true, it wouldnt mean clinton was at fault, or anyone involved with those incidents. mcveigh cant justify his murders with anything. you might beat me up, and say "i wouldnt have beaten you if you hadnt looked at me funny", but that doesnt mean i shouldnt look at you, or justify the beating. the beating is wrong either way, regardless of what reason you give to justify it, know what i mean? incidentally, i was in aurora colorado last week driving to a mets/rockies game. you live in a beautiful little town.
They also have responsibilities and a major one is cooperating with the police and obeying the law. The heavily armed and unyielding extremists at Oklahoma City, Ruby RIdge, and Waco defied the law and defied law enforcement, endangering the lives of police, their own people, and citizens in general. Your defense of these kooks is disturbing.
how about in the case of waco we start with david koresh and his crazy ass followers? ya know, the david koresh who was (in the polite way of putting it) "bedding little girls" that he "married" with the "parents" permission? or the members of the branch davidian cult that set the fires in the compound? the govts actions fed the fires and the whole thing turned into holy hell, but the fires were intentionally set by the same people who let little girls be sexually molested/abused under the guises of religion. should the govt have stood by and let little girls be "married off" to a pervert? im not saying the govt didnt f' up, but come on, the branch davidians were not innocent little bible thumpers. unless, of course, you consider sexual molestation to be a right.
stacey, her name was baylee almon. she would have been 16 two days ago. there are some things one will never be able to forget. that is one of them.
i just found this story. it was written 5 years ago, but is still on target, and very appropriate. OKC 10 Years Later - CBS News
