Religious Freedom Restoration Act - Indiana

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  1. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Hmmmmm, that would be an interesting scenario.
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Ahh, you've seen "a clip" and and it is clear to you that she has a "superiority complex and complete disdain".

    Right.

    Sorry, but I think your politics are showing. I know a lot of working women who also raise families and keep households and they are all equally proud of it as Hillary was 20 years ago. Not a damn thing wrong with that. Not one damn thing. Any housewife who takes her comments, which did not criticize housewives at all, is too . . .damn . . . sensitive. Or overtly partisan.

    And she made reference to a Tammy Wynette song named "Stand by Your Man". So what?
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Not exactly. First you have to obtain a marriage license. You don't have to have a ceremony, but someone has to sign the license. So you need an officiant of some sort, even if it's just the county clerk, but usually it is whoever performs the ceremony and signs the license. THEN you take the signed license to the clerk of court and you are legally married when it is legally recorded and he issues you a marriage certificate.

    The solution is to take the religious ceremony out of the loop. Actually separate church and state.

    The big celebration and the religious institution can all happen privately. You can limit it to paid members of the Church of Red, chant incantations, shake rattles, sing to the deity, and hold signs saying God Hates Fags. But the legal marriage itself can be purely a civil affair with no discrimination permitted.
     
  4. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    How does the old bachelor know so much aboutt marriage?
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    He reads.
     
  6. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    "hey, watchoo readin for"

     
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    I've seen THE clip. Delivery is everything....tone, expression, word selection. She isn't stupid. She's never made a public comment that wasn't political and this was no exception.

    Amigo, you are well versed and well read on many things. THIS, is one topic where my experience trumps yours. I do this all day long through Scouting moms, PTA moms, sport club moms, Charity League moms, etc. There are just as many working moms as those who don't. I chose years ago to be the latter. I know there's nothing wrong with it, just as I would not criticize, politicize, or condescend to working moms. But I know shade when I hear it and Hillary threw it like a Big Train fastball.

    Again, you miss her reference point. Her comment wasn't about Tammy or the song per se. It was about "some little woman". She wasn't referring to Tammy's lack of height.
     
  8. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Getting to know your enemy?
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I appreciate that, but if you imagine that means I don't observe what goes on or can't have an opinion, you don't know me very well. I was raised by a working mom with a PhD. One who took 4 years off after my birth because she thought that it was important. So I've seen both sides of a working mom and a stay-at-home mom up close. I've helped working girlfriends raise their kids. I am not speaking from ignorance here. And what I heard was Hillary comment about her own choices with not one bad word about "moms" or "housewives". Have you never seen political spin in your experience?

    More. Two thirds. And they are damn proud of what they do. I know my mom was damn proud of Hillary, too. Many women are. Pssst, . . . even stay-at-home moms.

    Unless they happen to be a democrat running for President? If you saw "THE Clip", you would know that she was responding to a question about a conflict of interest because of her working as a lawyer while she was first Lady of Arkansas. It didn't have a damn thing to do with moms or housewives, it was about her working or staying in the mansion as First Lady. But the political opposition played up her response without the context of the question precisely to stir up the wrath of housewives in an election year. It didn't work then and it won't work now.

    Well, I think you are missing it. In proper context it is clear what she was referring to. Love for her partner, not loyalty from "the little woman", referring to herself.

    Kroft: I think most Americans would agree that it's very admirable that you've stayed together – that you've worked your problems out and that you've seemed to reach some sort of understanding and arrangement.

    Bill Clinton: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. You're looking at two people who love each other. This is not an arrangement or an understanding. This is a marriage. That's a very different thing.

    Hillary Clinton: You know, I'm not sitting here – some little woman standing by my man like Tammy Wynette. I'm sitting here because I love him, and I respect him, and I honor what he's been through and what we've been through together. And you know, if that's not enough for people, then heck, don't vote for him.

    And Republican women elected him twice.
     
  10. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Bill Clinton must be made of steel. He is the only Democrat I can think of that survived a sex scandal. John Edwards, toast. Elliot Spitzer, toast. Anthony Weiner, toast. Bill Clinton, hell he survived a few.
     

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