IF that was the case every recruit we had on our board would be over-rated simply because they are on our board? You making an assumption based on what? Do you see all the recruits, when they sign, suddenly change ratings? I'm assuming Julio is over rated because he's from Alabama? It just doesn't pass the logic test Parso. If I may ask, if Terry is only one of the reasons, what are some of the others? The guys that evaluate these recruits...I assume all of them have ties to Alabama? I assume that LSU's recruiting classes were slanted back when you were pulling in top 5 classes because they knew it would lead to the discussion of Saban's recruits now?
No. It's not quite that bad. If Bama is expected to land a guy, his rating will be a little higher than it otherwise would be. It's happened before. I don't believe that Julio's overrated. It's not an absolute. Just because a player favors Bama doesn't mean he's necessarily overrated - just that there's a greater chance that he is. I don't think you'll see any underrated players (according to Rivals) signing with Bama. Just because you don't want it to. I operate entirely on logic. Nothing I say will ever not pass that test. Bama's Rivals site has the most members of any team in the country. Rivals favors the teams with lots of members because the better that team's recruiting appears the more money they make. This is not specific to Bama, but it definitely affects them. Also, Saban is a guy that a lot of people (not just Bama/LSU fans) are following. The higher rated his recruits, the more interested people are in seeing what happens, which also means more subscribers & more money. Ultimately, Rivals' goal is not to get the most accurate ratings, but to make the most money. They don't have to. Have you ever seen Rivals' "formula" for rating recruits? Of course not. They'd never dare to make it public because it's not a formula at all. What...?
Their formula is based on when that player should see playing time at any team. As example, a 5 star should see playing time his freshman (true) year and on down the line. 4 star, as a redshirt freshman or a sophomore. I don't disagree with their goal of making money, but if their ratings are overblown as insinuated it's counter productive, no? The reason BOL has as many members as it does goes directly to the contacts Tim Watts, Shane Youngblood, and Travis Reier had under the old staff. Like I mentioned earlier in this thread when it's compared to the Scout.com site one focuses more on recruiting while the other focuses more on players already on campus. I don't mean to take away a thing from the way that site has been built. However, you step back a few years and you'll see it was abysmal. (I might add that a lot of the recruiting articles on BOL a few years ago were taken from another pay site that wasn't Rivals.) I could name a lot of players who were under rated by Rivals. I'm curious as to who you think is over rated? Seriously, let's get down to specifics, shall we? Here's where I see the logic failing. You have an evaluator for Rivals seeing a guy is considering Alabama. So, then he's rated higher than he deserves. So, then he commits to another school. His rating drops? Or, are those rankings for other schools over rated themselves?
An interesting fact to add. I've seen the suggestion that recruits for certain schools get rated more highly just because of that school.........say USC and because our recruits are overrated on the Left Coast. So here's what's happened to some USC recruits with the latest Rival's 100: ATH DJ Shoemate, though still a 5-star, is now the lowest ranked one there is, coming in at 28th overall, with number 29 being the beginning of the 4-stars. He has slipped 6 spots in the last month, when he was holding up at number 22. (He continues to perform well, BTW) Also WR Brice Butler and WR/CB Joe Adams, both previous members of the Rivals100, have both fallen out of the new version entirely. (OOS guys) Matt Kalil, Tyron Smith, Blake Ayles, and Armond Armstead all remain in the new Rivals100, but no sign of Matt Meyer still. So were they overrated to begin with or are they being downgraded because USC is not playing to potential this year? I have no dog in the Bama/LSU issue but it seems "unfair" to assume that since the guy at the top of the organization is a graduate of Bama, then he is purposely cheating to make more money. Not that it hasn't been done by CEO's/business owners before but it certainly shouldn't be de facto IMO.
That is not a formula. It's a guideline & I've read it several times. They state that their "full formula" is not disclosed, but that is a part of it. Not so long as it isn't overdone. I'm not saying that all of Bama's recruits are going to be put in the top 100 regardless of talent. It's not going to be that obvious. It's on a much smaller scale. Well, 2 of the other main reasons I named would only apply to Saban's classes at Bama. As for under & over rated players, I mean as they are viewed in high school. As an example, let's say Castille was a 2 star recruit (probably wasn't, don't care - just a hypothetical). Just because he ended up being great doesn't mean he was underrated. Just so that's clear... Now, as for who's overrated - the first one that comes to my mind is the OLine from Bama, I think his name is Tyler Love. I'll have to look through to find more specifics. You are making stuff up now. That's not my logic failing. It's your assumptions. Once again, I'm not saying that this is over the top. It's much more subtle.
I'm not suggesting it. I'm flat out saying it. I'm not sure if it's in writing anywhere, but I've even heard Rivals guys mention that which schools are recruiting kids has a large bearing on their rankings. This is pretty irrelevent... Not familiar with Joe Adams, but Butler deserved to drop. Derrick Bryant, LSU CB commit, who was I believe a 3 star at the time completely shut him down. If I'm not mistaken, this CEO has a history of "cheating" & has even gotten in trouble with the SEC.
That makes sense. I know these guys do a lot of legwork to evaluate talent, but they can't possibly catch every stud that is in high school. If there are good teams that have a past of recruiting good talent looking hard at unknown players, the services are going to adjust accordingly. Let the colleges take some of the work load off.
Alright... There were several from last year. Here's a couple. Demetrius Goode, 4 star RB. Okay videos, nothing special at all. Only other offer is from Kentucky. Kareem Jackson, 4 star CB. Once again, mediocre videos & best other offer was Vanderbilt.
