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I hear what you are saying but don't the NCAA rules apply to the recruit as well. If so, why not to the family of the recruit?
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The way I understand it, and how it was explained, as long as the institutions aren't paying (or boosters, etc) NCAA rules dont apply. It made sense when I first heard it and its basically what Bryce Brown is doing. Think about it, how can the NCAA prohibit families or advisers from accepting compensation for giving information? As long as they arent linked to an institution the NCAA has no control.

DRC, Jan 29, 2009

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the whole thing is not only sleazy, it is ripe for abuse.

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So I guess that means ESPN and the networks won't be championing the early signing period cause?

stevescookin, Jan 29, 2009

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I would say they would be in favor of it. More recruiting, more money, more exposure, double the drama.

DRC, Jan 29, 2009

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Here you go.

A closer look at Bryce Brown's mentor

Thursday, January 29, 2009

If you thought last year's recruiting soap opera surrounding Terrelle Pryor was mind-numbing, get ready for this year's even more bizarre chase du jour.

The 2009 blue-chipper-of-intrigue is prized Wichita tailback Bryce Brown.

Nutshell: Brown is the younger brother of Miami linebacker Arthur Brown, one of last winter's top recruits. Bryce Brown committed to play at Miami last February. "Honestly, I wasn't in a rush. It was more of a spiritual thing, but this hopefully will keep it from being too crazy," Brown told Rivals.com at the time, adding that he did plan to take all five of his visits.

Turns out things have gotten a little crazy. Bryce Brown, who graduated high school a semester early, is currently on vacation with an uncle in Nebraska and now reportedly won't announce his college choice until well after signing day. Almost every story you read about the Browns mentions their advisor or mentor, Brian Butler, who has become quite a presence in the recruiting world of late.

So on Thursday morning I spoke to Butler to try and get a better sense of his organization, Potential Players, the recruitment of Bryce Brown and a lot of the rumors that swirled around all of the above.

It was one of the more unusual interviews I've had in a while. We actually talked about nine different times over the course of a 90-minute span due to his cell phone cutting out and some spotty connections on his landline, which he explained was a product of him switching phone services.

This is what I knew of Butler thanks to a Wichita Eagle story posted on his Potential Players website from 2007. He's in his mid 30s and was managing a Wichita T-Mobile call center. And he is a minister, who in 1999 had an epiphany to help children "get closer to God."

Butler says he turned his business into a "legitimate non-profit a couple of years ago." Asked how one does that, he explained by doing paper work through the state and the IRS. He says he has worked with around 50 kids over the years and the main purpose is education. "I'm educating them on what it takes to be a successful high-school athlete and what it takes to be successful in college and then to be successful as a man, husband and father."

Butler first learned of the Browns from a friend who was a substitute teacher at the junior school Arthur Brown was attending. Two years later, Butler was coaching in high school at Wichita South, and his team's final game of the season was against Arthur Brown's team and the then-freshman was a rising star. Butler and a friend approached Brown's parents about training their sons and to work with them to become faster. There was also the appeal of developing big-time talent that Butler believed would help lure other college coaches to the Wichita area and expose them to more of his players.

"Mr. Brown listened to us and was very open," Butler recalled.

The plan was to train their young athletes three to four times a week. Butler says he charges $15 to $18 per training session. The work has paid off quite well it seems.

Fast forward to 2009 and Potential Players has eight senior football prospects in its program, and Butler says five will be going to play major college football. This also is no small feat given that most of the prospects Butler works with do not come from the Wichita public schools system, where Butler says territorial coaches have kept him from working with their players. Instead, all but one of Butler's protégés (Bryce Brown) come from many schools that are producing their first 1-A high school athlete.

The plum of Butler's program is Bryce Brown, the local Wichita public schools product. And as Brown's recruitment has intensified, word has gotten out about Butler's latest idea: charging $9.95 a month for a service in which fans or coaches can subscribe to the latest updates on Brown or any of Butler's players. It would also allow a place to watch video of the athletes.

It is an idea that -- on the surface -- feeds into the suspicion many people have about "advisors" and blue-chip recruits. Many cynics come away wondering the same thing: What is the end game here? Sure, other entities often charge a fee for recruiting coverage, but do they also work on behalf of those same kids they're writing about?

As of Thursday morning, Butler says the last time he had checked, only three people have signed up.

Asked how such a service can mesh with running a non-profit, Butler replied, "I don't do it for the non-profit. I have two businesses."

Then his phone cut out.

After I called back, he says his other business is Life Training, which focuses on aiding the recruiting process as well as physically training athletes. He explained that Potential Players deals with more of the spiritual side and a summer tour he takes the players on. "People get confused," he said.

Right or wrong, it's easy to see why. The lines are getting really blurred here.

He says he patterned his summer tour off the programs Ted Ginn Sr. has done in Ohio. In the past two years, he has taken 25 of his protégés on two week-long tours in a rented 15-passenger van to some 20 states. Butler then spoke about the major impact he's had with his program (or is it programs?). "[It] is being on the phone with college coaches and giving them a true evaluation" of how good a prospect may be.

Bryce Brown is his case study. Butler goes on to talk about a recent call he got from a college coach who praised him on his work with the running back because, as the coach said, the toughest thing to do is to make a fast kid faster.

Butler adds the 215-pound Brown has gone from clocking a 4.43 40-yard dash to a 4.28. The running back also is trying to keep a low-profile at this point. "He's just chillin' right now," Butler says. "Just clearing his head and evaluating schools."

I asked if Butler checked with the NCAA or any other agency to make sure setting up the subscription service wouldn't put his players at risk of some eligibility issues. "I'm not worried about anybody saying anything," he answered. "The kids are not receiving any dollars from it. I'm not a kid. I'm the one benefiting. "Everything you do is criticized and scrutinized. You can't worry about that. I just worry about doing the right thing and making the right choices."

The sad reality of the boom in college recruiting is that street agents and talent brokers have sprung up all over the country in both basketball and football. Some are getting exploited and manipulated. Then again, some may also be exploiting and manipulating the system. It is confusing.

"People are just naturally suspicious," Butler says, before conceding that there have been some "bad apples" that have operated in youth basketball and football.

Can Butler operate his organization which, as he puts it, strives to get them to go FBS rather than to the county jail or the penitentiary, while also making some financial gain for himself? He then asks what is the difference since everyone else is profiting off the kids? The radio stations are. ESPN is. "There are numerous web sites who charge," he says, after they have interviewed him or his players. "I'm the one that does the work. I'm the one that's typing the stories. Obviously, I'm the one that should be getting paid."

He says people in California and Florida have been doing similar things for years, only he's just wearing five hats instead of two. He's also been getting a lot of calls from individuals looking to try and set up similar operations in their communities.
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DRC, Jan 30, 2009

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/04/sports/ncaafootball/04recruit.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&ref=sports

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There is no question Browns mentor is a sleazy character but as I said before, what he's doing is not illegal at all.

Intermediaries have long operated in college basketball. The N.C.A.A. is essentially powerless to patrol the actions of third parties
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This stuff paves the way for someone like ESPN to step in and 'rescue' high school kids from these brokers. They are going to sell it as a win-win situation and when you read this about Brown its not going to be a hard sell.

DRC, Feb 4, 2009

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Another Ridiculous Option:

But there’s a new alternative — and it’s not the upstart UFL. Instead, tailback Bryce Brown could be headed to the CFL.
The news come from the New York Times, and it’s a product of the musings of Brown’s “manager,” Brian Butler.
“If they were talking about any amount of real money, I’d guarantee it,” Butler said. “We’re not playing around. I can promise you that. I’m not scared at all to do anything, and Bryce isn’t either. Hey, he’ll hurt your feelings. He’s not worried about your feelings. He’s worried about what’s right and what’s wrong.”
Butler also mentioned a CFL team paying $5 million per year for three years.
The only problem? The CFL has a salary cap of $4.2 million per team. Per year.
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:rolleye33:

bhelmLSU, Feb 6, 2009

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Thank you Coach Miles, for not even touching this guy.

LSUMASTERMIND, Feb 6, 2009

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The NCAA only governs institutions, not the public. Right now there isnt anything in place that would prevent someone like ESPN from moving forward on something like this. I dont think the NCAA could prevent it. Those developing this concept will ultimately try to sell it as a benefit for the kids and say it will eliminate the circus. *shrugs*
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If it is illegal to entice college players with houses, cars, etc for their families (see Bush, R for details), why wouldn't it be illegal for recruits as well? If it's not illegal for ESPN to pay the parents, why should it be illegal for boosters, alums, etc. to pay the kid's family directly? Same thing to me.

Any thoughts? It would get UGLY really fast if big business REALLY, OPENLY starts marketing the recuiting scene.

That's what I think, anyway. :geaux:

paducahmichael, Feb 6, 2009

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