I read the whole thread and IMO this is the best post. Full Disclosure - Three daughters mid 20s - never have had this problem, and if they did I would have known. I'm not a 'Touch my daughter and your dead' type and I just wonder how this guy would react if a lineman with 125 lbs on him got drunk and started grabbing his crotch. Yeh Yeh I know apples and oranges; hetero vs homo - BULL - if its forced sexual contact against your will how much does that matter. What - you think she was thinking "Wow this is really bad - but at least I'm not being attacked by a drunk basketball chick". There's a lot we don't know - grouping can define a wide range of activities. But what we do know is spelled out well in GeauxGeauxHon's last paragraph. Lack of control at the Qback position - we are still recovering from our last episode of that drama. If we weren't - we wouldn't even be having this conversation.