Putin calling out Dems

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  1. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    I don't have a list. I think we have too many issues to single out one and the top problem. They all seem to interconnect with one another in a way that I'm not sure what the source would be.

    I do feel that Russia is too small of an issue to worry over much. They're pretty weak militarily. Any actual conflict with the US would be over pretty quickly. Russia would probably be the first to cross the line of civility, creating an opening for the US to respond with brutality while keeping it proportionate. Their ability to cause issues through cyberattacks does create cause for concern for everyone, not just the DNC. It's only a matter of time before it suits Russia's agenda to point their cyber-weapons in another direction. Economically, they're small potatoes. As long as the EU remains on board with current policy, it's a long game in which the US/EU has more time to wait it out than Russia. Either way, the personal impact to you and me is pretty small.

    I'd say that income inequality is a far greater issue for most Americans whether they realize it or not. I don't know if it's #1, but I feel it's greater than Russia's threat to the US.
     
  2. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    If life happened in a vacuum. Though I'd like to know why you think they are weak?

    Our military has been consistently graded worse over the past decade. We have spent money on aging systems and have not reinvested wisely. We are not as strong as we think we are. Thought still the strongest, we cannot rapidly deploy an effective force to counter a Russian invasion of NATO nations for at least 6 months.

    Russia has the capability to completely overwhelm NATO minus the US.


    In what way is income inequality an issue?
     
  3. kluke

    kluke Founding Member

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    We agree more than disagree. I was referring to largest foreign policy issue, which I feel is the area of Obama's biggest failure.
    But i agree, if I could only solve one problem it would be that the economy would be cranked up and that everyone believed they had an opportunity to participate and do better. That is the real 'change' needed to give people 'hope' so they don't feel trapped and frustrated. That frustration and hopelessness is the engine driving some of our worst social problems. The easiest part would be getting the economy going; the hardest part is to convince someone that just because they were born to poverty, and live in poverty, doesn't mean they and/or their children have to stay there. That's what makes America; people believing there is a way to a better future. We solve that problem, and get everyone believing that message, then a lot of our seemingly unsolvable problems evaporate.
     
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  4. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    First off I recognize people's right to Protest and not participate in Trump's inauguration etc. However I'm amazed at the hypocrisy of the leftist media and all the fellow travelers who portray those who do as some sort of heros.
    For the last 8 years anyone who dared point out the myriad flaws in the idiot/pussy in chief was assailed as a racist bigot hater.
    This is why I despise so many on the left. Not for their beliefs as wrong headed as they may be but for the moral superiority the use as a fig leaf for their bigotry.
     
  5. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    1) Liberals are humans, so I'm not sure why you're shocked at hypocrisy. Also, just because one is a hypocrite doesn't mean one is wrong. The world isn't as black and white as some people like to make it out to be.

    2) The second half of your statement is incredibly vague, but to deny that many of the people who pointed out Obama's "flaws" were not racist is ridiculously naive. Especially when many of his "flaws" were flaws only in the eyes of the ignorant and uneducated who swallow whatever the radicalized right has to offer as their "truth". Evidence means very little to them. What is most important to them is that their currently held beliefs are supported, regardless of what the facts prove.

    Since the evidence doesn't support them, then what else would you have as the reason why they disagree? Are they just dumb?
     
  6. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    We are all hypocrites. However, I find it amusing that republicans are getting their feelings hurt when the House Minority Leader and other GOP congressmen vowed to never work with Obama in 08, and put up every road block they could including shutting down the government numerous times throughout his presidency. Democrats will bitch and moan but watch what happens in the next hopefully only 4 years. Democrats will work with this steaming pile of dog shit. You won't see 7 bazillion fillerbusters, you won't see services suspended, or anything like that. At least not until 2020 when this putrid fuck is ousted and its the GOP doing it again.

    I never thought it could get worse than Obushma but I have a feeling it's gonna be.
     
  7. Kikicaca

    Kikicaca Meaux

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    You are just mad because you lost. I am one of those "ignorant uneducated deplorables" who has seen the "truth" or "true" agenda of the left that use "useful idiots" like you to abvance their marxist socialist destructive agenda. And just like the whinny poor loser babies you are you now want us to believe the Russians did it and now want to change the constitution and eliminate the electorial college.

    Put a pacifier in your mouth

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  9. kluke

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    Your second paragraph is excellent at pointing out why Obama's presidency wasn't better and why Hillary lost. If you start with the belief that Obama is the smartest guy in the room and people who disagree are uneducated ignorant racists who are the flock of sheep of Fox News - then you haven't given yourself anywhere to go. And many of his supporters and an even larger percentage of his team think just that way.

    No evidence of flaws!!! That could only to true to those blinded by adoration. Isis? Syria? Russia? Any flaws in his handling of those key issues? CERTAINLY NOT? Obama should be praised for allowing Putin to free the people of the Crimea from their oppressive democratic government. And all of those Syrian refugees straining the support systems of Europe are Obama’s brilliant plan to help prop up the populations of nations with low birth rate. Isis is Obama’s greatest achievement – they will provide the will to free the enslaved Palestinians from Israel.

    Here’s is a great idea – lets go behind the back of our longtime Mideast allies and negotiate a major treaty with Iran, do an end around our own countries approval process, drop off a bunch of cash in the middle of the night for sweetener, and then whine as Iran joins with Russia and our NATO ally to shit in our face over Syria. And lets be clear, the reason that we were shut out of the discussions has absolutely nothing to do with Russia, Iran, and Turkeys feelings about American Black people. They felt Obama and Kerry were irrelevant to the discussions.

    "Only Fox listening ignorant uneducated radicalized racists can’t see Obama's greatness". Do you see the perfection of that statement for Obama? He is relieved of the burden to listen and try to understand. He does not need to find a way to lead those that disagree. They are just vermin; they are just a basket of undesirables. Anyone can lead their friends, the measure of a President is the ability to lead the opposition. Obama failed at that, unlike Clinton and LBJ who found a way.
     
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  10. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    The only possible reason we disagree is because I am a dumbass.

    Lol. Gold.
     

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