Props to the Military, CIA and, yes, to Obama

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  1. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    I care if the war is just, not whether it was declared.

    Again, the point you were supposed to understand is that we are at war right now even though, like most wars, it isn't declared.
     
  2. lsu-i-like

    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    Just because a war is popular doesn't mean it is just. Congress should vote on it, not leave it up to the king to decide. That is a fundamental point of departure in our views on government and explains a lot of our discussion.

    I understand that there are military operations going on overseas, and that is one definition of the word war. It saddens me a little that you think this is a point worth making.
     
  3. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    I will ask again, were Vietnam and Korea wars?
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Don't belabor the obvious. They were both undeclared wars and they both ended in disaster. It plays into his point that undeclared wars may not be wise.
     
  5. martin

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    I wasn't asking you. All we are trying to establish is that a war can exist without paperwork. Whether the war is justified has nothing to do with wherhr the idiots in congress approved. Perhaps our friend here doesn't think we are justified in being at war with a-q. We are trying to understand why he would think that, presumably because he is a truther.
     
  6. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    He's not a truther. He's a liberal who falls back on the Constitution when it serves to paint America as the bad guy.
     
  7. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    i think this is accurate.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Thats what you are trying to establish. He's past that and trying point out something that you seem to have deliberately missed.
     
  9. martin

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    Presumably this point is that a war is either justified or not based on what ****s in congress think. I think a war is justified or not based on actual merit not idiotic lawmakers.
     
  10. martin

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    Declared wars might not be wise either. There is no correlation. The war with aq is justified. A war with Canada would not be justified even it were officially declared.

    Whether war is declared or not has no bearing on whether it is justified or if a war is happening. A war is happening now. A justified war. In wars you kill the enemy leaders. You don't care where they were born. You don't fill out paperwork, you blow up enemies.
     

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