Props to the Military, CIA and, yes, to Obama

any why would anyone bother?

if the dude had plans to come back to america, then it might be worth it, in order to keep him away because he is dangerous. but even then a better plan would just be to kill him or imprison him, like john walker lindh.

RIGHT BUT WHY DEY NO REVOKE OOPS CITZAINSHIP THATS WHU I WUNNA KNO

 

i know.

 

i just said that if we worked for al qaeda, pay attention. it doesnt matter if you are a citizen or not, you work for the enemy you may be killed. again, citizenship isnt relevant.

obviously. not sure why you are talking about folks who are not our war enemies. not relevant.

and i am talking about killing folks during wartime, when being convicted in a court is not required at all.

obviously

 

This is alleged, not proven, which is what my argument boils down to. You accept that he was an operational leader of al-Qaeda, but I have only seen that alleged. Again, if you're a well spoken Islamic philosopher from the US and move to the middle east and have the US falsely accuse you of being an operational terrorist leader, would that be enough to warrant assassinating your ass?

The link provided for your case said "if he is an operational terrorist leader".

John Walker Lindh was not a target of the US, for nine years al-Awlaki was. The link I provided spoke about the subject of revoking citizenship - I guess you didn't read it. That's where the ass dragging comment came from.

I'm not trying to further any lie, I'm trying to have a conversation. With a baby.

 

bin laden never went to court either. when you are in WW2 and you shoot a german, you assume he was a german soldier without taking him to court.

i have net even seen it alleged that you are not a child molester. for all i know you are an abusive and evil lunatic. but i make assumptions about the world without proof.

true. in fact we probably should have not killed bin laden. lets just let everyone get away with ****ing everything for fear that a slippery slope will have obama killing michelle bachmann for being a tea party terrorist.

 

al Q terrorist guy, not a citizen, we target and kill. al Q guy, an american citizen, we target and kill. you show me how the citizenship is relevant to killing our wartime enemies.

again, like rwilliams said, when you start working for the enemy, you dont get to hide behind the sorta random fact that your birthplace makes you a citizen. again, thats why nobody cares to revoke citizenship. this is basically what the obama spokeman said in the press conference. he said that the reporter was asking questions that have "embedded" ideas that are not relevant.

look, if you guys wanna **** around while sons of bitches plan attacks on us, fine, be morons. sabanfan and rwilliams and i favor murdering these sons of bitches regardless of meaningless paperwork that idiots think matters.

perhaps we should expose our entire case against him, let our enemies know how we found all this stuff out, who our agents are that perhaps worked with him to learn where he would be and what he was doing.



"Aulaqi was a major terrorist leader" - red55

the only difference between our positions is that you say that his actions mean he is no longer a citizen and he should be killed. i think that his actions mean he should be killed and i dont care if you call him a citizen or not. we are agreeing entirely except on the point of how much it matters that we describe someone as a citizen that has lost the rights citiens have, or simply not a citizen at all. i feel like this question is aggressively unimportant and purely semantic.

 

I guess it boils down to if you trust the government or not. I don't have the will to become a anti-terrorism insider and militant Islam expert and conspiracy theorist. I remain open to those posibilities because I just don't know and the government has not given proof. Maybe it IS because justifying the assassination of al-Awlaki would require the presentation of sensitive material that would jeopardize future operations. Or maybe it is the US saying, we know, our citizens and the world just don't need to know. I disagree with the later statement, especially because we didn't just happen across this guy on the battlefield, we've known about him for a long while.

So I guess the difference between you and I is that you are willing to take the government's word for it beyond a shadow of a doubt when I don't feel comfortable just assuming the government will take care of me and always stay above board. But honestly, it isn't like I'm doing anything about my paranoia. I've got bills to pay and a family and a job. I guess that's why I like Ron Paul, though. He doesn't just take the government's word for it either.