you spoke about nothing but that is nothing unusual. listen, I do not have to run from any argument with you because you are too easy to defeat in a debate because when you run out of ideas and you can't find a response on google or foxnews.com, you start cursing and ranting and calling names. what was your question again? ask me anything....
so are you defending the outsourcing of American jobs now? 30%-40% more? wrong. try more like 5% or less. I have a really good buddy who owns a mattress company that imports everything from China. Want to guess how much he saves on those goods after he pays for shipping, duties and the goods? less than 5%. I am sure the margins are different on other items but your estimate of 30%-40% is inflated and unrealistic. china still has to purchase raw materials and their prices on raw materials are the same as ours. labor isn't nearly as cheap as it used to be as the chinese workers have started unionizing and demanding higher wages. within 20 years all of those manufacturing jobs will move to India. Your statement, "This is a prime example of helping a few, lost plant workers....." offends me because it displays how out of touch you really are with the true economic conditions on the ground. You really have no idea what a toll it has taken on the middle class in the past 30 years while their jobs were systematically shipped overseas so the owners could make an extra 5-7%. You have a lot to learn.....
There is your problem. You hold yourself apparently higher than me and as such, what I say is beneath you.
Well, being that you took everything so literal, show me examples of your numbers. Where and how am I wrong? What data do you have? Can you support the notion that companies only gain 5% - 7% on shipping jobs overseas? I mean, the company I currently work for has 24% growth alone here in the states in the past few years with key manufacturing options overseas. Please, enlighten me. “Contrary to popular myth, U.S. multinational companies do not use their foreign operations as an "export platform" back to the United States. Close to 90 percent of the goods and services produced by U.S.-owned affiliates abroad are sold to customers either in the host country or exported to consumers in third countries outside the United States. Even in Mexico and China, where low-wage workers are supposedly too poor to buy American products, more than half of the products of new and existing U.S. affiliates are sold in their domestic markets, whereas customers in the United States account for only 17 percent of sales.” http://www.cato.org/publications/free-trade-bulletin/shipping-jobs-overseas-or-reaching-new-customers-why-congress-should-not-tax-reinvested This supports my theory that the overseas jobs do not serve just to lift consumers here, but also serve to reach out further in the world. It makes no fucking sense to build EVERYTHING in the US when they can BUILD, SELL, & DISTRIBUTE in the overseas region rather than in the US. You are thinking again, of only a small portion of this. Your argument seems to hang on America only TOTALLY ignoring the fact that THESE AMERICAN companies have BUSINESS opportunities OVERSEAS….. Look at WalMart... "Wal-Mart. Total revenue: $420 billion. Portion from overseas: 26 percent. With humble roots in Arkansas, Wal-Mart began as a homespun American retailer. But it now operates nearly 5,000 stores in 14 foreign countries, including China, India, the U.K., and Latin America. Most of those stores operate under names other than Wal-Mart. Foreign penetration is one area where Wal-Mart maintains a competitive edge, since other big American retailers have a smaller overseas footprint, or none at all." http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2011/06/30/why-us-companies-arent-so-american-anymore Who is out of touch here?
Amazon: "Revenue increased 41 percent to $4.06 billion from $2.89 billion, Amazon.com said. International sales climbed 47 percent, helped by the dollar's decline against other currencies. " U.S., Canada "Sales in the U.S. and Canada rose 35 percent to $2.17 billion. Revenue at Amazon.com's U.K., German, Japanese, French and Chinese Web sites surged to $1.9 billion, or 34 percent excluding currency changes. Overseas sales now account for 47 percent of global revenue, up from 45 percent a year earlier. " http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aZHY5lp6LSIw&refer=home
How else are we supposed to take what you say? Am I supposed to assume that you only really mean a portion of what you say? Either say what you mean or shut up and move on. You said 30%-40%. What, should I assume that you only mean 20%? And you accuse me of changing the narrative.....every time I call you on something like this you come up with something along the lines of "I didn't really mean all of that...." or "I didn't know you were going to take me so literal..."
You are the one who made the assertion that prices would rise 30%-40% if we brought all jobs back to the US. You are the one who has the burden of proof....not me. so your company has grown 24% year over year? how does that correlate to manufacturing overseas? a growth spurt of 24% would mean that the volume of your business has grown 24%, not the amount of margin that you have recouped by shipping your manufacturing overseas. I am trying to enlighten you but you are a terrible student.
No it doesn't. Of course you are not going to build everything here in the US but pretty soon we will be building nothing here in the US if we continue to ship all of our manufacturing overseas. It makes a lot of sense to build as many things as we can here because it provides jobs....good paying jobs, jobs that we desperately need in this country. We cannot become a nation that only consumes and produces nothing. Listen to what you are saying! You sound like you are defending other countries jobs over jobs here in the US. How do you expect us to rebuild our economy if we continue sending jobs overseas?
