Potential Government Shutdown

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Then let them get the votes and change it. But trying to hold America's international standing, financial credibility, and ability to operate a government HOSTAGE is a startegic clusterfuck of the highest magnitude. 80% of the American people disapprove of it. It's like a baby throwing a tantrum because he can't get his way.

    The democrats are no longer going to fold under threats. Obamacare is law and the Tea Party needs to change the law in the proper way if that's all they care about. And it is now clear to everyone that this is all they care about. This brand of intransigent, uncompromising brinkmanship is highly unpopular and has hurt America badly. If they intend to keep this up every 4 months, it will help guarantee that there will be far fewer Tea Party Republicans in the 2014 elections. That is the only silver lining in all of this.
     
  2. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    I am in no way against the SSI-Disability system; quite the contrary. I had an Uncle who had Chrohn's disease (sp?) and had 23 surgeries between ages 21 and 44, when he finally succumb to the disease. There was absolutely no way he could hold a job and without SSI-Disability, my grandparents would have had to give complete care for him I am an ardent defender of these programs but there is a record amount of fraud in the system right now. Much of it has to do with the awful economic times we live in, some of it has to do with Boomers being such a large generation but either way we have to prevent as much fraud as possible so that the folks who do need it will have it.
     
  3. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    They should do away with the debt ceiling. Just pass everything congress wants. 20 trillion dollar national debt by 2016? Give or take a few 100 billion. No biggy. Tax, borrow, spend and print more money. That's all Barry and the senate democrats are good for. What could possibly go wrong.
     
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  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Wake up and smell the coffee. The budget is lower than it was when Obama took office. He ended the expensive Republican wars in Iran and Iraq and he got us out of the George Bush recession in 9 months.
     
  5. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    Smell the coffee or drink the koolaid like you are. Sequester cuts are the only highlights of barrys admin. We have a 900 billion dollar deficit this year. Bush Recession? You mean the housing market bubble burst set in place by Clinton don't you. And barry followed Bush's plans to get out of Iraq, didn't realize we have been fighting in Iran, must be a CNN thing. We've lost twice as many soldiers under barry than under Bush and did it in half the time.
    How is Barry different from Bush Red?
    Bush left barry a 3.1 trillion dollar budget with a $482 billion dollar deficit. In 2010 Barry's budget proposal was $3.5 trillion with a $1.2 trillion deficit. But we all know barry has only proposed 2 budgets, and they were so bad that the democrats in the senate wouldn't even vote for it.
    Civilian workforce participation is at record lows. Taxes are at record highs.
    Is Barrys immigration policy that much different than Bush?
    How about illegal wiretapping?
    Barry is Bush x 2.
    Do you actually think for yourself or just got with whatever the democrats tell you?
     
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  6. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    If you Swap the words Republican to Democrat and Bush to Obama it still fits. 2 different parties, 1 common goal. Remain the party in power at any cost.


    The republicans lost because they took their extremely narrow presidential victories and their extremely small Congressional majorities like they were landslide victories instead of the slim margins that they were. They decided they could abandon the practice of consensus building in order to get things done and involving the rather large minority into the decision making.

    Instead they took license to swing all the issues they cared about far to the right with no consessions to the democrats. Far outside the mainstream American values it turned out, with 47% of voting Americans describing themselves as moderates.
    Then they got caught up in the scandalous Abramoff practices of the Big Business DC lobbying army and ended up with more government spending than the "tax and spend" democrats they had criticised. They cut the taxes as they raised the expenditures and the deficit soared as we had to sell federal bonds to China to pay for the $124 billion a year interest on it.

    It's now $23 billion a month. (2013)
    They lost because people saw corporate profits soaring and the ultra-wealthy widen the gap over the middle class and the well-off. Salaries for the middle class haven't gone up much, the tax relief has been small,
    and if not for the cheap, foreign-made goods that we now depend on, it would be difficult to maintain the lifestyles thay have.
    But they lost mostly because they blindly supported the flawed neo-con policies of George W. Bush and his cronies into series of foreign policy disasters. It became apparent to the citizens that they were putting party loyalty ahead of the good of the United States and the will of their constituancies.
     
  7. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/12/us-budget-deficit_n_3745096.html

    here is a link which shows that our budget deficit for this year will fall to 600 billion and it has continually falled for the past five years. the notion that it is still rising is a conservative myth. do we still need to make some structural reforms to ensure that trend continues? sure, but this idea that Obama and the Dems have been wild spenders is bull shit.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/07/budget-deficit-hit-record-trillion/

    Here is a link showing that in Bush's final budget year, 2009, the budget deficit was 1.4 trillion dollars. This means that Obama has overseen a 800 billion dollar per year shrinking of the budget deficit. That's almost a trillion dollars per year my friend.

    Taxes are at record lows. Stop believing everything you read in conservative blogs and media. The top marginal tax rate is now at around 29-30%. The only time it has been lower was when it was 2% less than that two years ago. Prior to that the top marginal tax rate averaged closer to 40% so stop your whining.

    Obama isn't perfect but he's better than Bush anyday. How many wars has Obama started? How many times has Obama raised your taxes? How many freedoms have you lost under Obama? There is plenty of criticism to go around as it pertains to the President but the issues you've raised are not among them.
     
  8. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    When bushs last 2 budgets were signed democrats controlled both houses.
    800 billion dollar stimulus. If bush hadn't signed it Barry was going to anyway.
    Barry's been running trillion + dollar deficits. The only reason they have had any decrease is because of the sequester the house forced on him. The deficits are still almost double what bush ran.
    50 million people are part time workers. 50 million are on welfare. That's also double what bush had under his watch.
    Barry has spent more money in his 5 years than all the previous presidents combined.
    Obamacare is a tax. It is the largest tax increase in history. He has also led the slowest economic recovery in history. Everything he supports is detrimental to the economy. Those are facts. They may not be what NBC and msnbc report but they are the facts regardless. Numbers don't lie. Politicians and their blind supporters do though.
    Under Barry's watch the number of US casualties in Afghanistan has doubled. Because of the combat leaders and policies he had put in place.
    What freedoms have been given up. How about the war on Christianity in schools and the military. How about the whitehouse censoring the main stream media. The targeting of conservatives by the IRS that have criticisized this administration. The demonization of conservative political parties that have opposed the tax, borrow and spend policies of this administration. If you oppose Barry your a racist.
    Since Barry has been in office my utilities, taxes , fuel and food prices have all increased. But what do you expect from electing the most incompetent individual to have ever been elected to the whitehouse. Twice! When conservatives raise taxes it's a war on the middle class. When democrats raise taxes it's necessary to cover spending. When conservatives run a deficit it's incompetent leadership. When democrats do it's to cover previous obligations. When a democrat forces you to purchase something you can't afford or don't need its because they know what's best. If a republican does it it's an intrusion of rights. I have never had a republican tell me what size soft drink I can drink or how many rounds I can have in my gun. There's a few democrats pushing that shit though. Do you remember when a republican controlled government shut down national Parks and
    Monuments? Refresh my memory. How about naming the last president that refused to sit down with the house or senate and negotiate?
    Obama is a fools king. And he's the king of fools. The next time the govt furloughs employees. Let's start with the Presidents Secret Service Agents.
     
  9. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    2001 - $168.16 Billion Surplus

    2002 - $205.2 Billion

    2003 - $479.8 Billion

    2004 - $511.14 Billion

    2005 - $380.84 Billion

    2006 - $287.7 Billion

    2007 - $181.51 Billion

    2008 - $498.37 Billion

    2009 - $1539.22 Billion

    2010 - $1386.92 Billion

    2011 - $1350.31 Billion

    2012 - $1120.16 Billion

    2013 - $759 Billion

    Obama says " I HAVE CUT ThE DEFICiT IN HALF! Since I tripled it."
     
  10. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    Myth is too nice of a word. What Republicans are doing is telling everyone that $1 is greater than $100. Their constituents are listening even though the undisputed math is right in front of them. They have so much personally invested in hating Democrats, liberals, etc. that any possibility of the Left being correct is simply unconscionable to them and admitting they're wrong after being so thoroughly and vocally convinced they're right would amount to slitting their own throats.

    So they just scream as loud as they can that the undisputed and obvious isn't true.

    The American people see it. Look at GOP approval ratings and it's obvious that no one is buying their shit. They're letting a handful of people hi-jack their party and for what?

    Progressives are the new conservatives...
     

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