The shutdown will end and the debit ceiling raised within a week. Real people are beginning to be affected by the shutdown and neither side wants to go into default. The Republicans made a bold move by trying to defund Obamacare from the budget but that is Obama's signature achievement. He will be remembered for nothing else. He isn't going to give any quarter on it. The house is sitting on a dead bill and they will come up with a new one that opens the govt and raises the debt ceiling temporarily and Obama will agree to discuss budget cuts. If the Republicans don't get this govt moving again it will hurt them, not Democrats, in next year's election. The next shutdown can be about Obama's refusal to negotiate on budget cuts. The majority party never likes to be told what they can spend our money on.
Oh so now you want to bring those up. You fail common sense 101. If you can't pay for it then you downsize it.
You mix and confuse issues like mad. Common sense is not your forte. Take off your Republican glasses. If you can't pay for it, you can either downsize it or bring in more income or both. The US has low taxes compared with other wealthy nations.
How can the Barry and Democrats in this Congress explain to their constituents that trillions of dollars in new debt is good for our economy? How can they explain that they think it’s fair to force our children, our grandchildren, our great grandchildren to finance this debt through higher taxes. That’s what it will have to be. Why is it right to increase our nation’s dependence on foreign creditors? Democrats and the Pres. should explain why they think more debt is good for the economy.
They didn't have the votes to succeed. Had they felt it was good politics they would have. Right now the President sees it is good politics to stand his ground and not negotiate. Where has Dirty Harry said he wanted to handle both the budget and debt at the same time. They do want to have their cake and get both with no negotiation on the real budget or how to handle the deficit and debt. The Rs don't. That's politics sport not the constitution. Who wins will be shown in 2014 & 2016. Frankly right now the Rs don't look so good....as they have been ham fisted for the last 6 years. However I remember 1991 when Bush 41 had a 90% approval that turned around in 1992. They are both (Ds & Rs), pots and kettles, black because they are playing short term politics at the country's expense.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ianshep...nds-are-not-unreasonable-they-are-impossible/ The only way to remove the need for the debt ceiling to be increased is for the U.S. government immediately to run a balanced budget or a surplus. That might sound like a perfectly reasonable idea, but economics is like comedy: Timing is everything. Right now, the U.S. could not move to a balanced budget overnight, no matter how hard it tried. To see why, not, take a look at the numbers. The budget deficit for the whole of the fiscal year ended September 30 was about $650B, or 3.9% of GDP. The trend in the deficit is sharply downwards—not that you’ll hear many Republicans admit that—and right now it is likely running at an annualized rate of about 3.5% of GDP. On the face of it, then, if government spending were cut by 3.5% of GDP, the deficit would disappear. Except that it would not. The economy expanded by a mere 1.5% year-over-year in the first half of this year, and it has no upward momentum. An overnight hit of 3.5% of GDP would, therefore, immediately trigger a substantial contraction in the economy of about 2%, bigger than the peak-to-trough declines in the two recessions preceding the crash of 2008. In short, if you start with a weak economy and impose spending cuts roughly twice as big as the current, sluggish growth rate, the improvement you seek in the public finances will never happen. It is a mirage, out of reach no matter how far you stagger across the desert. What the Tea Party wants, it could not have even if it controlled the House, the Senate and the White House. The House Republican leadership knows this, I think, and that means a budget and debt ceiling agreement can’t include the Tea Party. You can’t negotiate with people who want something that’s impossible.
WASHINGTON, DC – Shutdown crisis causes U.S. to turn to the alien, P’Lod, for guidance and financial aid. The United States government will face a catastrophic event of historic proportions, if Congress cannot resolve the budget crisis. Current funding is scheduled to run dry on October 17th and if the infighting in Congress is not resolved, the system of government that the citizens of the United States have grown accustom to will end, permanently. Republicans have made a number of proposals to keep the government running, but Democrats have rejected them all. The U.S. government has to get itself out of the red and avoid a permanent shutdown. There are grave concerns that members of Congress will be unable to put aside partisan principles and band together to save the United States from immanent doom. As a safety net, some members of the Congress have called upon P’Lod, the alien who backed Barack Obama in the 2008 and 2012 elections in hopes to find a way to the bring the United States budget under control. Current Republican planned cuts include blocking federal funding to Obamacare and baring the Pentagon from using tax dollars to sponsor NASCAR race teams. P’Lod does not have issue with reducing funding to Planned Parenthood but he will not stand for cuts to NASCAR. P’Lod really loves his NASCAR.
By "Polls", I meant elections. And no, people don't elect representatives to vote; they elect them to "represent" them, hence the name. Where Obamacare is concerned, you have a sharply-divided nation.....only 38% of the people think its a good idea according to this week's Forbes poll, and that's up since the shutdown began.
It is a little more complicated than that. In general they should reflect the will of their constituents. However they also have a duty to the nation's best interest which may conflict with the constituents' leaning as they should have more information. Edmund Burke the great English political commentator wrote that a representative should have the courage to do the right thing no matter what the cost at the polls is. Now what does that mean today? IMO we should raise or remove the debt ceiling. It is artificial and only those who buy our debt can set the ceiling. Just as the president as senator Obama and Ds tried to stop it in 2006 it is wrong to do so today. I agree with using the shutdown as leverage. However as much as I have opposed Obamacare rather than vote to kill it so much (a losing proposition), I would offer positive corrective solutions to it. That is a win win for the Rs. If adapted we get a better system and if the president and senate Ds reject it they are shown to be hypocrites and obstructionists. The Rs need to understand that the party of NO rarely wins either at the polls or in making things better. Be creative and find a better way. Those on the right who say we have but nothing happened have a point. It seems to me the emphasis by the Rs & tea party types has been on no with not enough positive. They have played into the leftist media and D hands.
