Potential Government Shutdown

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Might it be something you can stand to live with because it comes with other things like no lifetime cap on benefits or no denial for existing conditions? If someone in your family became a quadriplegic or needed a heart-lung transplant medical costs could rip through a 2 million-dollar cap in no time. More bankruptcies are caused by emergency medical bills than any other cause.
     
  2. mobius481

    mobius481 Registered Member

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    Well I kinda have to so it doesn't matter. But no, I'm not excited about paying and extra 6k/year to have no lifetime cap. No one with any actuarial sense would.
     
  3. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Building in items like this only adds additional costs to the model. You are giving us examples of why this is bad policy.
     
  4. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Obamacare won't result in the closing of state run hospitals. It will push more people onto the Medicaid rolls ensuring the state is still on the hook for the care.
     
  5. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No I don't. I said that I think you can't back up that statement and you are letting that stand. Suit yourself.

    Because they had no insurance! We call this an irrelevant appeal.

    What are the numbers? Who says this? I think you made this up. Some places, like North dakota and rural Mississippi have doctor shortages already. You can't blame that on Obama. Other places have plenty of doctors and it won't change under the Health Law. This is not an argument against Obamacare, it's just stating the obvious and pretending it means something. Straw Man.

    I back up my statements when they are challenged. You don't and insist that someone must prove you wrong or you are right. It's a common logical fallacy called ad ignorantum.

    A Non-sequitor. Now you are answering some other question. I thought you were talking about the Health Law being based on "hope". You haven't made that case.

    You are not making logical arguments.
     
  8. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    Who is paying for it now? It's that same group of people only more insured are being added to the ranks to spread the cost. This plan will require less than what is currently being wasted, which is what you can't seem to grasp. No one spends more, but gets less for their money on healthcare than America. Why is that do you suppose?

    I disagree, but that's just one example of some steps being taken and not the entire piece of the pie. I recall having read several times that anywhere between 60% to 70% of healthcare costs in America were just the record-keeping and billing. I think a standard system to track and maintain all of that would go a long way to reducing healthcare costs. France has a pretty neat system where all medical information and billing is focused around a card that each individual carries like a Social Security Card. Only difference is this one has a chip and magnetic stripe that carries a lot of information. Most physician's office have just a doctor and a nurse or two with no receptionist and no clerical staff. That's a lot of money saved on overhead along, not to mention file retention, reduced fines, storage, etc.

    Multiply that cost savings times every physician in America...

    What deals? They are already making a killing so why does any President need to "protect" them?

    No plan is perfect, least of all the plan we're leaving behind which is no plan at all. It simply was not sustainable. Someone else will pay more as opposed to those who previously paid more and some will now pay less. Obamacare will improve more lives than it will ruin, which is easy because it will ruin exactly zero lives. For me, that's what this is about. Heathcare is not necessarily a right, but it should be a helluva lot more accessible than what it was and currently is. The GOP have had more than enough opportunity to come up with a better plan, but since the Democrats already stole their plan out from under them they have been a bit dazed and confused as to what to do next. It's a plan that has shown to work well in two capitalist economies and Europe and another right here in America. Fears that this will end badly are unfounded. It would be a lot better if the GOP had not stripped several provisions from the original bill.

    That is typically an insult lobbed in the direction of people who have not displayed the capacity for rational discussion and are unable to deflect such accusations.
     
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  9. Frogleg

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    i'm really not sure who is most at fault here, and i dont really care. this will have very little if any affect on my life....its much ado about nothing, the media sensationalizing another political skirmish. hey, but its good to have something to talk about...
     
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  10. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    One thing I would stand my ground on is no Obamacare waivers for anyone. I hope the House of Rep. do not cave in on that one in particular. I would even put a stipulation in the budget that All elected officials, their appointees and their families will have to enroll in it. If the Senate and President want funding and think Obamacare is going to be so good, then they should lead by example and sign up. Congress should not be allowed to exempt themselves from any law they pass. I believe fines and penalties should be doubled for our lawmakers if the break them. And we don't need to raise the debt ceiling. "Raising the debt ceiling is a sign of failed leadership. " Barack Hussein Soteiro Obama. The govt is taking in more than enough taxes every month to pay the debt. They just want more money to fund more unnecessary govt programs so they can buy more votes.
     

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