Post NFL Draft: Nick Saban's Era finally over?

TGer'nLHornLand, I personally want a successful LSU coach like Florida had with Spurrier (12 seasons), ND had with Lou Holtz (11 seasons), Texas has with Mack Brown (10 seasons), Oklahoma has with Bob Stoops (9 seasons). Georgia, USC and Ohio State all seem to be on the road to this with Richt, Carroll and Tressel (7 seasons each).

Nick Saban was not that coach for LSU. Maybe Les Miles will be, maybe he won't. Sure, if LSU football descends to unacceptable levels under Miles, he will be fired.

 

This became CLM's team the minute Katrina hit. No way to prove one way or the other, but I doubt anyone could have done a better job of holding these kids together than Miles, and this team (and Miles) has grown from that point on.

Saban doesn't handle distractions well, constantly demonstrating his bravado at others expense, and Katrina would have been too big for him. A guy, such as Miles, looked into the stands for his wife at such a huge moment in his career. I think I know which one is really in control and which one really wants us to believe the facade he has created.

 

Can you PLEASE do something to piss me off! I really, really hate liking an Auburn fan as much as I like you!

GREAT POST! One for the record books!

 

This is absolutely right.

Saban, for instance, did not (reportedly) "allow" his team to be distracted by 9/11. I don't think he would've been good at all during Katrina. Miles understood that this was much larger than a football team.

 

When Saban walked out the door, his era ended. These guys were LSU's recruits.

 

this is old and tired. Did anyone say that Saban won his first SECC with Dinardo's players? No. It was Saban's team. And this was Les Miles's team the day he took over.

Stovall left Arnsparger loaded. Did anyone say he won with Stovall's players?

All of this chit was started by Saban himself, this is really the only issue I have with him.

Moreover, it's not Dinardo, Saban, or Miles team. IT'S LSU'S TEAM. Always was, and always will be.

Who gives a flip. The bama coach never one a game here, the LSU coach did.

 

:shock::shock::shock:o::angryfire .... :hihi:

Ok, ok... Calm down. First off, I never said this was or wasn't "Les's team" or "LSU's team", etc. I know that this is Les's team. I only raised the issue of whether Les's legacy as LSU coach should be judged differently since as of this year (technically next) he is finally free of key players recruited by Saban. Clearly, everyone is behind the hat and these players are his players, developed by him, etc. etc. in spirit and in the eyes of the LSU faithful.

But, if you want to be objective, perhaps Saban shouldn't have gotten so much credit for "turning around" the program right away. Afterall, he didn't recruit Dinardo's players right (although, he should get credit for getting MORE out of those players, much like I give Les credit for getting more out of Saban's players)? But, he should have gotten credit a few years later, b/c he won a NC with guys like Marcus Spears, Clayton, etc., who were HIS recruits. Likewise, IMO, I think that Les will finally be free of the Saban shadow when he can really say I won with all of my guys brought in. That's just my opinion. Now I know plenty of LSU fans don't give a crap about this, I'm just making the point that a coach's legacy, is whether he stands the test of time, as mentioned before. Can a coach win over a sustained period, bringing in good players in recruiting and developing them consistently and making the big coaching decisions in the big games.

Everyone's real happy with Les and he's done a great job at LSU, but his legacy will be determined in the next few years... :milesmic::thumb: Saban was a master at the "turn around" and never stays around anywhere long enough to prove that he is a great coach... I hope Les does at LSU, and I hope he is able to win another NC in the next few years to prove it.

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P.S., and I couldn't resist,... to my point... Les recruited RP and "developed" him. Should Les get flak for that? :redface: Now, Les's winning % is truly relying on QBs that HE recruited and has developed--a freshman and a Harvard transfer.

 

My, you seem almost happy about this little tidbit.

 

saban gets full credit for turning this ship around and he gets credit for recruiting quality players/characters that plagued dinardos tenure.

he got paid and credit for what he deserved. if i get fired today and some chump takes over for me and excels because of my work already in place, I dont receive credit no matter how much i whine to you. thats not reality, chief™.

hes been out of the shadow since winning the seccg. you're just failing to see it.

his legacy began during katrina and was solidified by embarrassing a big10 team for the crystal. he can only add to it from here since nothing is going to take that away. regardless who recruited them. this is not larry coker university. a totally different set of dynamics.

long time is relative. if you dont want to believe you can make this excuse til you die saying you need more time.

nope already cemented. 1 of 3 nc trophies in the history of LSU football. signed, sealed, delivered.

no one cares about saban anymore. only you. let it go. we dont care.

you're embarrassing colors are showing. move on.

 

For the record, I'm not. LSU obviously had a better chance to win with RP, more b/c he's a Junior and dual-threat guy, besides the fact that he's a talented but troubled kid.

But, I am a realist and try to see things like they are. I also like to point out when LSU fans are hypocritical or irrational. I find it amusing some of the logic of this thread. This is LSU's team, this is Les's team. Sure, I buy that the fans are in full support when we win NCs, everyone wants to take credit and not attribute it to the "enemy". But, what happens when things turn south. That's when the coach is to blame, right? When LSU wins, it's b/c of LSU, and when LSU loses it's because of the coach.

So now, I assume you guys will say that RP's behavior and being kicked off the team is HIS fault, right, b/c he's a bad seed. NOT because of Miles? But, Miles was everybit responsible for Glenn Dorsey being a top 5 pick and developing HIM, right? I just find it illogical.

So, I bring up the fact that Les needs to be judged by his own guys, his own talent that he brought in, and You'd think that I insulted Mother Theresa. Well, my only point with this comment is now RP is part of Les Mile's legacy, right? Or, is that LSU's legacy?