Post NFL Draft: Nick Saban's Era finally over?

Trojan fan praising Nicky?

Gump saying Nicky ain't great?


Where the hell am I, and what did y'all do with the real Tiger's Den? :huh:

 

Dude, anyone who lost of Mississippi State and ULM did not have a great year competing in the SEC.

We were used to that sort of thing, though, having had lapses like that when he was our coach.

 

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Ay,I Thought If He Could Bring LSU back To Prominence Maybe He Could Turn The 'Phins Around....But That Didn't Quite Happen As We All Know...But Seriously I Didn't pay Attention To The Losses...I Just Seen bama Play Some Good Games With the Better schools Like Florida....I Honestly Don't Know Much About The Losses...

Hell Truth Be Told I Respect The Sweatervest As Well, You Don't Even Go To Championship Games Being Anything Less Than A Good Coach...

 

Most "gumps" think he is "great" in the recruiting and development department and I agree. But as for as his gameday head coaching abilities he's "good". But I'll take "good" over "bad" anyday. :grin:

 

If Saban was so "Great" to you, then why did you decide to come over to Tigerforums now? A little bit of jealousy that the 'Great' Pete Carroll and his USC program has a rival for the best of the era with Coach Miles and his LSU program?

But yes, I feel you. Saban will certainly turn SEC West rival Alabama around and make them a program better than LSU that will even start taking some of our best in-state recruits... more and more of them the greater and greater Saban's Alabama team gets. In fact, Saban's Alabama program will become so great at the national level that they will even start taking some of the best recruits from Southern California!

But seriously, part of me doesn't get how any Louisiana kid would want to go play for a school in a Los Angeles ghetto like USC (like Booty and McKnight did). Sure, I could understand it if they thought it'd be a cool experience to get away, go out West, live by the Pacific Ocean, Hollywood, the movie stars, Beverly Hills, the Playboy Mansion, Jay Leno, Britney Spears, etc. But if they were mainly inspired by being part of a team that doesn't play brutal competition and thus is an easier place to become another one of those Heisman winners like the three under Pete Carroll so far... you can have them.

 

Ok, you're making this about logic, but I guess that's what I have a question about. So, in your way of thinking about things, then a coach gets credit for "development" of his players not recruiting? And, a school gets credit for the wins, based upon the fact that kids would "go there anyway", not the coach? Not sure I buy that.

If that was the case, then, Les SHOULD NOT have gotten credit for any of his first or second years, b/c then he was definitely playing with Saban's "developed" players. Then CTJ should NOT be given credit for his wins next year, b/c he didn't develop these guys? Maybe that's taken to an extreme, but my point is recruiting is a big deal. "Coaching up" or "development" is certainly part of the equation, but ultimately as we all know, recruiting is the name of the game when it comes to college sports. Saban recruited some of these guys, he gets credits for bringing them (to a large degree) to LSU.

I don't know how you split hairs and say "this guy would've come to LSU anyway". If that's the case, then Les doesn't get credit for any of his LA signings, right? One could argue that all of these guys would've come to LSU.

My only point again, is that it's impossible to say, to some degree, that you divorce a program from the players and who recruited them. I do give Les a lot of credit for doing more things for the program than Saban did (said that right up front). BUT, I think to some degree, a coach is judged more fairly when he's playing with the players he was responsible for recruiting... that's his full stamp on the program. Do I give Les credit for keeping the ship headed in the right direction? Absolutely. But, I think a fair measure of his abilities as the head cheese, will become more clear in a year or two. Consistency and winning with his guys. As much as the LSU faithful will disagree, don't you think that if LSU tanks in a year or two, folks will say "Les won with Saban's players". Won't all of you get on this board and want Les's head if he doesn't win another SECC in two or three years? Will it then be that Les became a "bad developer" of talent, or that "recruiting went down"?

Just like to some degree, if CTJ does well next year, at some level, it won't be that big of a surprise to me. He's playing with guys that Butch and Brady recruited (4 more talented recruits to boot), and the talent is there. He'll be judged on how he uses that talent, for sure, but he truly can't say that it's "his team" until 2009, maybe 2010, when you see what kind of guys he's brought in, what kind of system he's implemented with those guys, etc.

Not hatin' on the hat or LSU, just making an observation. :milesmic:

 

This argument about Les Miles needing two or three additional years to truly be judged as OUR coach is annoying to me. First, Les Miles needed trophies to be judged a great coach, now he needs still MORE time to be judged as a great coach. Bull!

I am thrilled with our d%$n strong coach!

 

the only people needing more proof are those who paid their coach more for an independence bowl struggle.


beyond that, ignore. actually, ignore all at this point.