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  1. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    We are talking about Federal legislation. States can make up whatever rules they want inside their own borders. But to say that 1 million people should have the same voice as 39 million when it comes to FEDERAL LAW, that's just dumb.
     
  2. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    And just how do you do that fairly, when you're dealing with 50 states with disparate populations? Kentucky comes closest to mirroring the national average with its districting, only about a 200 person per district difference. So do you tell Wyoming, Vermont, North Dakota and Alaska - the four states that have populations below the population per district average - "Sorry, you don't have enough people in your states, you don't get a vote" ?
    By the way, the current makeup of the House of Representatives - 435 members - was set by the Permanent Apportion Act of 1929. The average population per district was about 283,000 at the time. Now its more than 700,000. And by law, the Electoral College reflects the makeup of Congress.
     
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  3. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    The Founding Fathers did not want democracy to rule. “Hence it is that democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and in general have been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths … A republic, by which I mean a government in which a scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect and promises the cure for which we are seeking.” — James Madison, Federalist Papers No. 10.

    “Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99 percent vote.”

    True democracy is the tyranny of the majority. True democracy is mob rule. Thankfully, we do not live in a democracy. We live in a republic. Article IV Section 4, of the Constitution: “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of government … ”

    And living in this republic means that every voice matters, majorities do not rule and those with the loudest voices do not automatically win. The will of the people means all of the people.


    http://www.theunion.com/news/twi/our-founding-fathers-wanted-a-republic-not-a-democracy/#
     
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  4. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    They don't have the same voice. Alaska has 3 votes, California has 55, a much greater voice.
     
  5. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    You could do something like 1 electoral vote for every 100k per state, or every 250k.

    You know the electoral college could still elect Hillary right? What's gonna happen if this takes place one day? Will you still like the electoral college then? Probably not.
     
  6. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    I was talking about Senators.
     
  7. mancha

    mancha Alabama morghulis

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    It absolutely should be that way. The Senate was designed to do exactly that. Give each state an equal say, not based on population, but on being one equal and individual entity in the Union. It allows for protection of the minority also.

    Go to the House of Reps for population based representation. I certainly don't want California and New York to elect my president each year and decide what laws we have to live by.
     
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  8. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    In a way it is. The population determines how many districts there are. Do you understand that? So again, it doesn't matter a hill of beans how the district is drawn or who is within it. It is a district and each state gets 1 Electoral college vote for every district that they have. Exactly the way it should be. This has nothing to do with people in the district, nothing.
     
  9. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    I been hearing that tune for a few years now. Its old and played.
     
  10. el005639

    el005639 Founding Member

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    You take away the voice of the Wyomings and Montanas and the nation desolves very quickly. Those small states deserve to be heard, they are by and large representative of what made this nation great.
     

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