poll about intellectual property

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by martin, Feb 14, 2012.

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illegal file sharing

Poll closed Mar 5, 2012.
  1. stealing info from the internet, i love it

    6 vote(s)
    31.6%
  2. no way stealing is immoral, assclown

    12 vote(s)
    63.2%
  3. i steal but i feel kinda bad about it

    1 vote(s)
    5.3%
  1. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    it doesnt work that way, the technology is evolving so that each node on the network of thieves hosts the trackers and the traffic is encrypted and anymized and you cant stop anything with total destruction of the network.

    again, once you release a piece of information, its out there, permanently for anyone, for free. when you tell a secret you cant go back, its just known, and thats it.
     
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  2. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    Right, and like I said, to provide secure means of web traffic, the government would have to create a secured, monitored, network. Massive oversight. Even then, there is never such a thing as 100% secured in the digital world.

    You wouldn't be able to watch your guilty fetish porn anymore without someone knowing about it!!!!!
     
  3. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    exactly. which is why spotify and hulu and things like this are where things are heading, free content that still makes profit. its not a model that is difficult to understand, free tv has been doing it forever. you can live in the past, r you can put the content to use and make money. the old models are dying. in 50 years this thread would never happen, as the people who have the opposing position to mine will not exist.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The issue is about lost income from COPYING copyrighted works, Einstein.

    You are a delusional lunatic. Once all you had to do to steal was to get away from the scene of the crime, but then fingerprints came along, forcing you to wear gloves and not touch anything. Then DNA came along forcing you to wear a space suit to avoid leaving evidence of your crime behind.

    But then the internet made it easy for you to steal electronic documents and you chortled with joy and demonstrated great pride in being a scumbag. But you are leaving a digital trail and it is just a matter of time before all copyrighted products scatter digital evidence of your crimes all over the net. As soon as it is profitable to engage giant computers to run down all of the leads, you will start getting eSummons to eCourt and be fined eDollars by the eJudge that you will cover with PayPal.

    Unfortunately, the first to use this already-existing-technology is going to be the tax man trying to capture sSales tax from eBay and Amazon purchases, as well as taxing illegal profiteers.
     
  5. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i knw, you dont care about lost income when it comes from loaning. and that is weird because publishers do care, which is why they are heavily restricting libraries, for instance limiting he number of times ebooks can be leant or selling books to libraris that are designed to fall apart and require replacing.


    i don think u understand technology at all. again, we thieves cannot be stopped. like if you give a speech and tell a secret on live tv, it is out. you cant prosecute everyone that heard it or somehow unrelease the info. thats the way this works. once the information is out there it is free.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Because there is no lost income in loaning, give up this useless train of thought. You have lost the argument and are trying to remake it. eLoaning is not a problem if you follow the rules, just as in loaning books. Books have to be returned at some point, likewise eBooks create duplicates that must expire in time. Else, they violate copyrights and exceed fair use.

    You'd be surprised, chief.

    As usual, you live in a dream world, amigo. Fantasy criminal. I can't help you. Dream your life away.

    I make enough money to buy all the books and recordings that interest me. You may enjoy being a petty thief if it blows your frock up. But don't try to make yourself into a hero, nobody aspires to be you.
     
  7. martin

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    publishers do not agree with you.

    "And that is a source of great worry for publishers. In their eyes, borrowing an e-book from a library has been too easy. Worried that people will click to borrow an e-book from a library rather than click to buy it, almost all major publishers in the United States now block libraries’ access to the e-book form of either all of their titles or their most recently published ones."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/25/b...and-publishers-an-e-book-tug-of-war.html?_r=2


    its not a problem for me, or for libraries, but it is a problem for publishers, which is, again, why they hate it. i am not just making this up. i have friends who work for random house and they are in these meetings with amazon and libraries ironing out ebook policy. again, they hate ebook loaning. and the reason is precisely and exactly because it hurts revenue.
     
  8. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    Give it up Red. Over 200 posts in this thread and we've conclusively proved 3 things:

    1. "File sharing" of copyrighted materials is stealing.

    2. Those who indulge in "file sharing" know they are stealing.

    3. They are proud to steal.

    You can't win a debate with someone who has such a perverted sense of morality. That's why I've quit this debate. I'm satisfied with being right.
     
  9. martin

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    1. black people in the front of the bus is illegal

    2. rosa parks knows it is illegal

    3. rosa parks is proud to break the law
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I won this debate with martin four threads ago, I just like to watch him work his way out to the end of the limb and then I shake it. He actually thinks he a hero . . . :D
     

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