ok, imagine there is a tv show you want to download, perhaps it is on the BBC, and you cant get it, or maybe you cant get the LSU game, and you want an illegal stream. do you do it? feel bad about it? whatever the media is, it doesnt matter, do you feel ok about downloading unauthorized stuff, be it porn or a book or a tv series? what if i loaned you a kindle book via a jailbroken kindle or whatever. still illegal, but are you ok with it?
Not saying I've never done it because I was a pirate for years but I haven't downloaded anything illegally for a while now. It's just too easy and reasonably priced to do it the right way now.
so for you the question isnt about morality, it really is about convenience. and anyone, i dont care who you are, i have a hard time believing you wouldnt watch a pirate stream of an LSU game. and again, if we think there is a equivalence with tangible goods, meaning the stream is the same was stealing a dvd from the store, then you are just as bad as the shoplifter. but we all know it isnt the same thing, even if we pretend it is, for arguments sake. and even your morality is based on convenience and not actually being a good person, i think it is for the content industries to recognize that people are like you. give them what they want, cheaply and simply, and they wont steal. people dont really want free stuff, they want efficiency and openness. people wont steal if you offer them something of value and convenience. i dont steal books because they are 9 dollars on kindle and i dont have to wait for them in the mail or go anywhere. but i might start stealing them if they keep restricting me from loaning. this is what big media will slowly realize. the consumer has the power position now, so you will have to give us what we want, or we will simply take what we want, like an army of honey badgers.
No, it's about both. Sometimes I want to download stuff and I don't. As far as LSU games, I'll steal a stream if there's no other way to get it. I don't have a moral problem with that at all. They weren't going to get a sale to me because they didn't offer it then what have they lost.
even if you only steal a little, then its not about morality. stealing is ok or it isnt. i dunno about you, but i would never dream of stealing anything tangible. not in a million yeasr would i take anything from anyone. i would never shoplift, not even a stick of gum even if i had zero chance to be caught. never. you may feel the same way. then why would you every steal information? at some level your must realize it isnt the same. the same rules do not (meaning should not) apply. i would definitely steal/watch an LSU stream. i steal UFC events all the time, watching pirate streams. dont feel bad about it all. when i am with friends we combine and pay the 44 dollar PPV. but at home by myself, i dont pay for LSU or any other PPV. and i dont feel bad about it at all. also your logic "they were not gonna get a sale to me" doesnt make it moral does it? how are you not just as evil and selfish as me? you should have clicked the "i love to steal" option on the poll. you either take things that are not yours, or you dont. if you would steal an LSU game that is blacked out in ytour area, then you are stealing, you are a thief, taking something that isnt yours. also, again, if any of you tell me you wouldnt watch a pirate LSU stream of an LSU game that isnt available to you for whatever reason, i really dont believe you.
It isn't okay. I said it's about both. I don't want to steal because I don't want to steal. It's not right. Also, it's so easy to do things the right way, that I rarely feel tempted to steal. But sometimes I do. Nothing wrong with being tempted to do something. I would never steal tangible stuff either. No way. It's not fair to look at the two as identical. They're not. One damages the victim much more than the other but they both create and damage a victim. Honest people are tempted to steal songs on the internet because no one will know and it's not like you've taken something original that cannot be duplicated. This doesn't mean it's okay to take someone's work and not pay for it. [/quote]i would definitely steal/watch an LSU stream. i steal UFC events all the time, watching pirate streams. dont feel bad about it all. when i am with friends we combine and pay the 44 dollar PPV. but at home by myself, i dont pay for LSU or any other PPV. and i dont feel bad about it at all. also your logic "they were not gonna get a sale to me" doesnt make it moral does it? how are you not just as evil and selfish as me? you should have clicked the "i love to steal" option on the poll. you either take things that are not yours, or you dont. if you would steal an LSU game that is blacked out in ytour area, then you are stealing, you are a thief, taking something that isnt yours. also, again, if any of you tell me you wouldnt watch a pirate LSU stream of an LSU game that isnt available to you for whatever reason, i really dont believe you.[/QUOTE] It's odd that you are lecturing me about what I think is moral or immoral. You are the one who argues it's not about the law but about morality. It's not an ideal situation but of course, I would find the game however I could and watch it. I swore after watching you guys go at this for two weeks I wouldn't get involved but here I am.
i wouldn't steal if i felt like it hurt people. i feel like it helps people. it makes the world a better place. i dont take it. i copy it. [/QUOTE] It's odd that you are lecturing me about what I think is moral or immoral. You are the one who argues it's not about the law but about morality. [/quote] why is it odd, this whole talk has been about right and wrong, not what the laws are. i think it is a good and proper moral decision to take whatever information you want, to treat the world as your personal library, to read and watch and absorb as many books and movies and porn and games as possible. (in the case of video games i still pay alot because the expense of creating them is so massive, and isnt simply about being creative. it really costs alot, like millions of dollars and hundreds of programmers.) red wants me to tell you that you are a no-good thief. i think you are ok though.
I don't see it as stealing, I see it as a friend whom I just met on the internet loaned me his or her copy.
