Personal Freedom's and the Hypocrisy of the Republican Party

decent point.

and i am more aligned with fiscal goals of the right, or, like you say, the things they claim they are into.

why do social issues matter more than fiscal ones? i am not in agreement with republicans about gay rights or abortion policy either, but that **** is irrelevant. that stuff doesnt actually effect the lives of anyone, even gays. in fact gays should care more about tax policy because it affects them more.

i am in agreement that the parties do not stand for what they claim they stand for. but if we think about what actually matters, what affects our lives, it is primarily not social policy, it is fiscal policy. and the right at least claims to be for small government and lower taxes.

it really doesnt matter for **** that the right is anti-gay and pro gun and anti abortion and whatever else. you can be wrong about all that and it is of of no real consequence.

 

I like the word coddled...it makes me smile

 

unless they legislate to criminalize homosexuality, or criminalize abortion. I am of the type that would like to be rich, but at the same time, i would rather just be happy, and be able to afford what I need, and do what I want, as long as I am not infringing upon my fellow American's rights. Other social issues are drug laws, which need to be repealed, and decriminalized, and workers rights.

The thing in Wisconsin is something. Why trample on their rights to bargain? I know they are government employees, but so is Congress state and Federal, so is the Senate, state and Federal, and all the higher up people. Why can't they tighten their belt? Why is it that the people who have benefitted the most in the past 10 years can't tighten their belts. It's always the middle class.

I am all for being fiscally conservative. It is not debatable that the last 11 years, government spending has been totally out of control. I believe in medicaid/medicare, social security, and defense, But I don't like the way it's run, it's a clusterf*ck. I don't think that a person who is capable of contributing to society in some form or fashion, should get any freebies. You want food stamps, you have to work and pay taxes, you want medicare or medicaid, you need to be able to contribute somehow, community service even. And that's another thing. Why isn't there just a flat tax for everyone? No loopholes, no credits, no deductions?

I spend about 15 hours a week doing crap for workman's comp and unemployment and before I started doing this, I was waaaaay more liberal than I am today. I'm sick of people who will work just long enough to draw unemployment then quit their job. I'm sick of seeing people pay for 1000's of dollars of groceries, then get into a brand new Chrysler 300 with 22 inch rims and spinners. The system is broken. Tax laws are broken, entitlements are broken, and social issues are broken.

I will get off of my soapbox now, but yea I get what you are saying and I believe you have a very valid point.

 

Because they are gambling with the casino's money, so to speak. If they want collective bargaining, the taxpayers should have a seat at the table.

 

the single best way to attan that is free trade, meaning low taxes and less manipulation by the government including a lack of government protection for unions.

because the thing that protects workers is not the government, but the freedom to go work somewhere else when you are being abused. in labor disputes you just let them happen without intervening. if unions want to organize, good luck, but if the employer wants to fire you for joining the union, so be it. go work somewhere else and let someone who needs that job worse than you take it.

 

That would be all fine and dandy if there were just a plethora of jobs out there like at a new car lot. but there aren't. It's just not that easy to quit, and find something else.

Why not let the people decide by voting on the policy. Instead of some draconian governor making the call.

 

I don't remember seeing anywhere in the bill of rights that says a damn thing about the right to collective bargining. Federal workers don't have a right to collective bargin. Pensions and medical coverage for life and all the other extras are killing the states. Another thing , let's say a tractor manufacturer has problems with the union and the union strikes all that happens is no tractors get built. If all the public workers strike then what happens? No foodstamps get mailed out and kids starve? The state stops inspecting bridges?All the public business stops. Fdr , who you said was one of the greatest presidents ever , said state workers shouldn't be allowed to unionize. Give me a break. These people get a decent wage plus medical for life along with a pension. If I were Governor and the unions started their shiz I would fire every one of them and hire all new non union workers. There is enough people out of work that would take their 70000$ job without all the extras like INS for life.

 

If I was so unhappy with my comp package I would quit and find another jobor just do my own thing if I couldn't.

The people elected representatives to do that stuff for them.

 

and had these governors stated in their campaigns that they were going to go after collective bargaining, then they wouldn't have been elected. At least in Ohio there is a rule that states if in 90 days if the democrats get 250,000 signatures, it will actually go to a vote by the people.

If it's the will of the people, so be it. If it's just the will of a tyrant governor on a power kick, that's no bueno.

 

You think CEO's of corporations deserve that money more than the people who teach your children? Collective bargaining is about more than wages. Its about working conditions, and pensions that they paid into. So you think it's fair to strip someone's pension they paid into?