Penn State, loss of institutional control and the death penalty

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  1. Pennsylvania

    Pennsylvania Go easy on me

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    I have to admit, for a while I was thinking they shouldn't play this weekend. But now i'm thinking they should. Whatever I think, you have to remember:

    Penn State is leading their division by 2 games. Possible Big Ten Championship game ahead. Potential BCS bowl ahead (long shot). We're talking a lot of money to be had here gang. Greed runs college football. They are playing.
     
  2. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    I think Penn State should forfeit their remaining games.

    I hope they lose their last 3 games.

    I know these kids playing in these games are innocent, but it's just the way things need to be.
     
  3. clt4lsu

    clt4lsu Freshman

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    I feel sorry for the poor kids. I would imagine that kid had to be wondering why that a-hole is not helping me.........
     
  4. Rwilliams

    Rwilliams Veteran Member

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    Fire every single coach that knew anything and let the kids play. It's not the kids that were wrong it's the dirty adults. Purge the dirty adults and let the kids play.
     
  5. Thorny

    Thorny Founding Member

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    My objection to them playing is not based on being vindictive against the kids on the team. Rather, it is to give the Penn State community time to settle down and deal with the stages of grief that are involved in a civil matter.

    How are you going to feel when tomorrow's game turns into a JoePa love fest? How should the victims feel? On the other hand, if the fans just sit on their hands and don't cheer in solidarity with the victims, how are the players going to feel? I know I would not be able to play with any intensity. Forfeits accomplish this better than the "I hope they lose" attitude, IMHO, because they allow time for the judicial and healing process to advance constructively.

    Remember, this isn't like Katrina & Rita, where LSU and Saints football could be a distraction from the 24-7 nightmare going on around South Louisiana. This is a man-made problem centered in the PSU football program. There is no way that a game this weekend will be a healing distraction.

    GEAUX TIGERS
     
  6. stevescookin

    stevescookin Certified Who Dat

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    It really is scorched earth territory...they need to give up football for a year or two in order to put things in true perspective. The university has no credibility and they have to self evaluate. Which is more important, the university or football ????

    ...and this is the perspective that needs to be eliminated:


    At Penn State’s stadium, profanity, scorn greet one father’s protest


    STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — In the middle of Curtin Road, John Matko held one handwritten sign in his right hand and rested another against his jeans. Two inches of black tape obscured Penn State’s logo on the 34-year-old father’s hat, as he tried to ignore the jeers, slaps and beer hurled at him.
    “Put abused kids first,” one of Matko’s signs read. “Don’t be fooled, they all knew. Tom Bradley, everyone must go.”
    Penn State's Beaver Stadium loomed 30 yards away, rumbling with the first roars of Saturday’s game with Nebraska. The sea of blue-clad supporters wearing gray fedoras and camouflage hunting jackets and “This is JoePa’s house” T-shirts parted around Matko.
    “That is such [expletive]!” one young woman screamed at him after glancing at the signs. “Who the [expletive] do you think you are?”
    Eyes hidden by blue aviator sunglasses, Matko didn’t respond.
    The night before, thousands of students held candles and sang Coldplay’s “Fix You” a capella in front of Old Main to support victims of sexual abuse. They wanted to show a different side to Penn State than the 40 charges of child sexual abuse against ex-football assistant Jerry Sandusky or the riots late Wednesday after the university fired iconic coach Joe Paterno for his role in the cover-up.
    Under Saturday’s cloudless sky, Curtin Street revealed something else.
    A beer showered Matko. One man slapped his stomach. Another called him a “[expletive].”
    “I understand the culture,” said Matko, who graduated from Penn State in 2000 with a degree in nutrition. “I was part of it. It doesn’t surprise me what I’m getting from them.”

    Matko drove three hours from his home in Pittsburgh on Saturday morning. He was tired of reading about what university officials didn’t do in the wake of Sandusky’s charges. The father of a 4-year-old boy, he couldn’t stop thinking about the 23 pages of horror in the grand jury’s indictment of Sandusky. Right or wrong, he thought, I’ve got to do something.
    A gust of wind picked up rust-colored leaves, dozens of discarded bookmarks and pamphlets about child sexual abuse and crushed blue cups.
    Two middle-aged women wearing “Shuck the Husks” buttons on their blue fleece jackets dispensed the bookmarks nearby. Their sign read: “Penn State pride is about more than football.” They wanted to do something, anything to help.
    “This is the elephant in the room no one wants to talk about,” one woman said.
    Down the street and to the left, hundreds supporters pressed around the statue of Paterno leading his team from the tunnel. Three bouquets of white roses sat beneath it. Pictures snapped and right index fingers thrust in the air in copies of Paterno’s pose.
    “We need to rebuild the university,” said one man, who leaned against the stone wall with a solemn look. Like many others Saturday, he refused to give his name.
    Matko’s vigil continued. “The kids are what this day is about, not who wins or loses,” the sign resting against his jeans read. “Or who lost their job and why. Honor the abused kids by cancelling the game and the season now.”
    A passer-by kicked it.
    “You’re going to get your [expletive] kicked, man,” a man bellowed.
    “That’s [expletive], guy,” another said.
    Abuse flew at Matko from young and old, students and alumni, men and women. No one intervened. No one spoke out against the abuse. Over the course of an hour, a lone man stopped, read the sign and said, “I agree.” Those two words were swallowed by the profanity and threats by dozens of others during the hour.
    “The world is here. The world wasn’t at the vigil,” Matko said. “I still can’t believe this game is being played. People are telling me the game is going to generate revenue for the kids. That’s the point. We can’t separate revenue, money from football. That’s part of the reason why we’re in this mess.
    “I feel so betrayed. … I can’t believe the guys covered it up. It’s disturbing and it’s not over.”
    Matko didn’t preach at passers-by. The signs said enough, two voices in a wilderness of blue.
    “What a [expletive] idiot, man,” shouted one fan. “Get out of here.”
    A woman, clad in blue like the rest, launched a finger-wagging, tirade inches from Matko’s face. Two men led her away.
    A burly man wearing a “JoePa” T-shirt strode up, wrestled away the sign urging abused kids be put first from Matko’s right hand and slammed it to the ground.
    After reading the signs, another woman glowered at Matko.
    “This is in bad taste,” she said.
    One bystander wondered how long until Matko was punched.
    From the stadium, the roar of “We are Penn State” washed down the street. Three men with white shirts and ties and rolled-up khakis in Paterno’s style hurried past. The sweet smell of kettle korn and smoke from barbecue up the street drifted past two women as they split a 40-ounce bottle of Mickey’s Fine Malt Liquor.
    Each time Matko’s signs were knocked away, he adjusted his black backpack, retrieved the signs and stood his ground.
    “Not now, man,” one student said, shaking his head. “This is about the football players



    At Penn State's stadium, profanity, scorn greet one father's protest - Washington Times

    This is why football needs to be banished at Penn State for a while...their culture is such that nothing is more important than football....what's a little child abuse?....this is about football not the integrity of the university.
     
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  7. bayareatiger

    bayareatiger If it's too loud YOU'RE TOO OLD

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    Wow.

    100% agreed, if we ever get to this point I would hope that LSU fans would be a little more rational than this.

    But, I could be wrong.
     
  8. stevescookin

    stevescookin Certified Who Dat

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    That is the scary part.
     
  9. KyleK

    KyleK Who, me? Staff Member

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    I would bet that you are wrong.
     
  10. bayareatiger

    bayareatiger If it's too loud YOU'RE TOO OLD

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    Sadly, Kyle.
     

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