Pakistan - "Ally"

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Of course it is immoral. It is you that lacks morality. You know this to be true.
     
  2. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i actually kinda concede that you are right, i lack morality, although i think most of you dont know a person as good morally as me. everyone who isnt me and like the other 2% of people that have a conscience is awful.

    but it isnt about morality really, is it? its about making a system that works.

    if i invent a cancer cure, you steal it from me, right? even though it is unjust, right? because you are doing good for more people, creating more happiness? so the goal is to maximize utility, not reduce stealing. reducing stealing is just a good idea because it generally increases public utility. in this case, where the item stolen is not actually taken from the original person, the old rules do not apply.

    i still would like to note that we should send this to our thread.
     
  3. Rwilliams

    Rwilliams Veteran Member

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    The war powers act time limit has expired. Any other American military involvement in libya must have congressional approvial. Any other American military actions in Libya would be illegal and an impeachable act. Do you think Obama tries to go to congress or does he wipe his arse with the constitution and does whatever he wants knowing that he is protected by the media that would call any accusations aginst him the work of racist?
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Of course it is.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    If the GOP wants to hand Obama the 2012 election, they will try to make an issue of this. It only makes them look petty after all of the warhawk rhetoric the last 10 years. Saddam never attacked Americans that weren't attacking him. Gaddaffi has attacked Americans in Germany and Scotland.

    Why don't you pose an honest question? Do you want to be treated like Rex B?
     
  6. Rwilliams

    Rwilliams Veteran Member

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    The law says he must get congressional approval. I don't have a problem with parking an aircraft carrier off the cost and bombing their teeth out. I won't really really object if we pack up and leave gaffy alone.
    I know that he must get approval to continue military action in Libya. The press will not push this subject. If it were bush they would be screaming bloody murder. Obama must make his case to congress for an up or down vote.
    Rex b was talking about conspiracies. I am not talking about a conspiracy. It's the law to get congressional approval to conduct any further military action and I want to know if this president will seek that approval.
    Whether or not attacking Libya is the right thing to do or not, permission from congress is mandatory. Bush got permission for the action in afganastan. He got permission for the action in Iraq. Whether or not it was the smart move is not relevant.
    I am curious to see the media reaction to any further action without congressional approval. By the way, I think that Obama has used military action wisely so far with the drone attacks and troop surge in afganastan. He has shown courage in going after obl in Pakistan. Now it's time to either get out of Libya or get proper authorization. The anti war faction will go crazy if he goes to congress for approval for another war. You can't go around congress and the law because you may piss off a faction of your political base.
     
  7. Rwilliams

    Rwilliams Veteran Member

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    This isn't about whether attacking Libya is wrong or right. It's about who has the power to commit this country to war,the president or congress. It's also about whether the watchdog media will do their job by reporting the facts to the American people
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Why? Because the Republicans are not pushing this subject, either. They do NOT want to vote on this. It will only make them look divided and Obama look good.

    Why wait. Just look. There has been a steady stream of media coverage of this. Your notion that it is somehow being glossed over is wrong.

    President Barack Obama's war in Libya, and Congress' inaction, show War Powers Act is not effective - Chicago Tribune

    Senate letter seeks Obama compliance with War Powers Act | Washington Examiner

    Congress Lets Obama ignore War Powers Act in Libya

    Robert J. Spitzer: Obama, War Powers, and Yoo

    And so also with the republicans. They want to bash Gadaffi badly, they just don't want Obama to get the credit for doing it.
     
  9. Rwilliams

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    And so also with the republicans. They want to bash Gadaffi badly, they just don't want Obama to get the credit for doing it.

    I agree with you on this one.
     
  10. OkieTigerTK

    OkieTigerTK Tornado Alley

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    new accusations that the pakistani intelligence service is aiding islamic terrorists.


    Pakistan spy agency denies role in killing - Yahoo! News
     

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