Pakistan - "Ally"

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  1. OkieTigerTK

    OkieTigerTK Tornado Alley

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    this. all of em. and make the fine for hiring even just one illegal hit hard.

    and i agree with the rest.
     
  2. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    I'm not condoning it. I'm just saying that these solutions are bull**** and won't work. As long as Mexico's economy is ****, citizens of Mexico (and further South) will keep finding ways to enter the country illegally.

    This entire argument reminds me of the RIAA trying to stop illegal downloads. Investigate and correct at the root cause level. If people have no reason to download music illegally, they'll cease to download illegally. Otherwise eliminating options only creates other methods. Same with immigration.
     
  3. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    So what is your solution?

    Lets take your music example: "if people have no reason to download music illegally, they'll cease to download illegally.

    Hmm, so should the artist just make music and give it away? I mean as long as they "charge" for it then people will try to get it for free so why not just cut all that money stuff?

    Is that your stance?

    Of course it is, you are a liberal and no one should have to earn anything nor should they be rewarded for doing so.:dis:
     
  4. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    yes. or they can get another job. there are lots of things i enjoy doing that nobody pays me to do.

    if a musician is good enough, people willl pay to seem him perform.

    surgeons, firemen, athletes, lawyers, bricklayers, they have to perform live to get paid. we dont feel bad for them that they cant just record a a performance and then chill.

    http://forums.tigerfan.com/free-speech-alley/55485-stealing-music-future-copyright.html
     
  5. Rwilliams

    Rwilliams Veteran Member

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    A few years ago the refinery I worked at was flooded by mexicans. There would be one person that could speak English in a crew of six or so. That person was the foreman. The insulators, scaffold builders and painters were all displaced by mexicans that would work for ten dollars an hour less. These guys had jobs that paid twenty plus dollar an hour jobs with insurance and benifits to lose them to people that would work as part time employees with no benifits at all. Then the TSA got envolved. Now you must have a twic card. That card is mandatory to get in the plant. It involves a background check, drugtests, FBI clearance and a felony clear record. If you had a felony, you had to get a judge to sign a form stating that you were not a threat. That cleared out the majority of the mexicans. I don't think that was the intended mission of the twic card. It was meant to screen out terrorist. A government issued card like a twic card would stop illegal workers. On the other hand , a government card brings up privacy issues. I don't see it as any diffrent from a drivers license or ss card.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You can add to anything posted here:

    http://forums.tigerfan.com/free-speech-alley/97716-national-id-cards.html
     
  7. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    anyone have a TWIC card? how long does it take? not twix.
     
  8. Rwilliams

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    It took me six weeks to get mine. At the time all the plants were switching to the twic card and there was a large back order. It took my helper 1 1/2 years because he had a felony for kicking a cop in the nuts. He had to get a judge to ok him getting a card. It cost him 1200$ in lawyer fees. You must show your birth certificate and ss card. You don't get your card when registering. They call you weeks later to get your card.
     
  9. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    I don't have one. Frankly I don't have a problem with America's current immigration policy. IMO, it's one of the few things that we do exactly right and our success as a nation is directly responsible for it.

    ASIDE: I do find it funny that people who like to tout "free market" economics are usually the first to want to build a wall around the country and limit the cheap labor part of the free market equation. :) I'm not saying that's your POV because I don't pay attention to the specific posters on this site that much, but I see it. A LOT.

    That's pretty much what artists do anyway. Artists that are signed by RIAA labels suffer far more abuse and impacted negatively financially by the RIAA than consumers. Artists make very little from album sales.

    Well, music labels sell a $0.02 piece of plastic with $5 worth of music on it for $20. You start selling music for a price closer to what it's worth and people will buy it. You gouge people and you can start expecting people to steal it. By their own stupidity they had to be dragged into the modern electronic age to even provide it electronically despite a tremendous demand for it in that format. Then they start suing kids and grandparents for millions of dollars. All of these actions just piss off the very people who give you money and it's created a relationship with consumers that's rife with animosity.

    What they should have done was hire the creator of Napster, dropped the price of CD media and begin to promote the sell of mp3's the every next day. Theft wouldn't be near what it is today simply because they gave people what they wanted at a fair price.

    Besides, file sharing isn't stealing. File sharing deprives no party of property. It does not involve piracy because no party assumes profits that rightfully belong to another because there are no profits to speak of. What it does is eliminate the transportation and production costs. That's really another thread, though.

    I'm not really concerned with labels, but my liberal friends call me a conservative when I put them in a corner and my conservative friends call me a liberal when I put them in a corner. I must be doing something right when both sides resort to slapping labels on me when they're unable to adequately defend their position. Liberal, conservative, etc. whatever. It doesn't bother me when I know the label "correct" is really what you mean.
     
  10. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    people still buy cd's? I didn't even know they still made them:confused:
     

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