Oklahoma State

Discussion in 'LSU RECRUITING' started by BostonBengal, Dec 22, 2007.

  1. CParso

    CParso Founding Member

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    But what does that say about last year's class? Why weren't they building for the future then?

    Like I said, this may pay off, but if they continue to have to get more than 2 JUCO's per year, then I suspect it will be bad for the program.
     
  2. Potted Plant

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    The problem with JUCOs isn't that they only stay two years. The problem is that most of those kids had a reason they needed to go to JUCO. Either their grades were a problem, or they had a bad criminal record of something. The problem with JUCOs, in the main, is that they are frequently not solid citizens or team leaders or reliable people. You have to pick and choose very wisely or JUCOs will ruin your team.
     
  3. CParso

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    JUCO is for players with poor grades - not criminals. I haven't seen many team leaders come from the JUCO ranks, but I'm not sure that is because of their character. It may have more to do with the fact that they are only at either school for 2 years & don't get to develop the relationship with the entire team that 4-5 year players do.

    Developing for 2 years at JUCO does not equal developing at the D1 level at the same school for 2-3 years. That's the main issue. JUCO's come in much more prepared than a true freshman, but much less prepared than a player that has been in the program a couple years. That's why they are quick fix players & cannot be used to build a program.
     
  4. TerryP

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    On the other hand, the last two classes Jackie brought in were highly regarded. '03 was a top 10 class, '02 a top 20 class. I recall a lot of people talking about it being some of the best classes in MSU history.
     
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    IF I'm not mistaken, they only had one JUCO in the '07 class. But, as evidenced by the back counters for this year, they had at least 7 players that didn't make it on campus.
     
  6. TerryP

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    Totally agree!!!

    Two things. You'll find more successful programs look for JUCO's with 3 to play 2. And, you'll see the most successful JUCO's in positions that really don't have a lot to do with the leadership role you just mentioned.

    As example, I can see a NG/DT JUCO player contributing more than what would be required of say...a C.
     
  7. CParso

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    Then they didn't do a good enough job of anticipating that & compensating by oversigning last year.

    It's too late to change how they handled last year, so JUCOs seem like as good a way as any to compensate for it. So long as they don't have this issue every year, this shouldn't be a huge deal.
     
  8. TerryP

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    Good point about the over-signing. I remember they had less than 25, but don't recall the exact number. I'll have to look it up, but it seems I recall reading an article where it said they had less than 20 report.

    When I looked at their JUCO's earlier to day I noticed most of them were defensive players. That can be an easier transition from JUCO play to D1 play than some others. RB and OL were the other two IIRC.
     
  9. Potted Plant

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    For an interesting discussion of JUCO players, read Meat Market, the book about Coach O and his 2007 recruiting season. It talks a lot about JUCOs and the plusses and minuses of it. It goes in depth about how, even though the players are usually pretty good and can help you on the field, so many of them are unreliable people who you just can't count on. Often, they are not hard workers. They don't take the classes they need to take to get into your school. They do just what's necessary to stay eligible in juco, which isn't enough to qualify for D-1.

    The JUCO kids tantalize you with their talent and physical ability, but then you dig a little deeper and you find that most of them either won't qualify to make to school or are likely to be cancers once they get there.

    I'm not saying JUCO is always a bad idea, but if a school wants to go after JUCO kids, they better do their homework on their targets. It's the sort of thing where one or two good JUCO kids can really help your team, but 4 or 5 could ruin it.
     
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    In a conversation just the other day a friend mentioned the JUCO schools in MS and how they were virtually a grave yard for football players. When I started thinking about it I did pause for a moment. I'll have to do some research further in to the story, but it sure seems we do see quite a few get placed in JUCO in the state of MS that have problems qualifying (within the time alloted) to get into an SEC school.
     

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