He likes to roll out but to be a very good QB he needs to learn to pass from the pocket. Rolling out reduces the field to 1/2. Also, he needs to get rid of the ball in 3 seconds - if deep guy not open, progress down. He went to the TE more than I've seen him do against Arkatrash. I'd say he is progressing. I think some time off will help his learning curve.
So, it'll be interesting to keep this thread (among the many) alive as the world turns and this OC coaching debate plays out. I guess folks saw the DDon post today about how Crowton is likely staying... Reasonable minds prevail ? :hihi: Seriously though, it's also interesting that this news comes after the game to determine the Rose Bowl. Did folks watch Oregon vs. Oregon St last night? I don't follow Oregon enough to see all the nuances, but I think the Oregon offense looks a lot like LSU's offense (could look), right? Now, obviously, you have some differences, Masoli running the offense instead of JJ, but call me crazy, but I think it's a pretty entertaining, effective offense. I remember back to when we won in 2007, and folks were calling Crowton the "wizard". Fans WANTED an exciting offense with run, option, spread, downfield plays. So, philosophically are you all saying now you want a "simpler" running attack, or a pro style offense with a sit in the pocket passer (which would require a better O-Line)? It'll be the same people that will say that they want offensive "creativity" when LSU scores 20 points on a good night with that Big10 offense :lol:. Seriously, I think some of the offensive woes this season just result from execution. If you consider Crowton's offense as perhaps a "complicated" or rhythm based offense, the little things really can disrupt flow. Lafell dropping a 7 yard out pass, JJ throwing a little bit behind someone or not getting the ball out--it does require precision. What's interesting is Masoli is 5'11"/220lb kid with a pretty decent run, nice legs, and assertive decision maker... funny also is he's a JUCO Jr who is new with the Oregon system. It's not necessarily the system, as much as often its the personnel and execution I guess is my point. I CAN also see where Miles and Crowton run into recruiting/player problems, afterall is JJ best suited for GC's offense? What's interesting is, it would seem to me that Russell Sheppard IS (6'1" 188lb) suited to that offense... he may have to be a little bit heavier and have another year under his belt, but then is Miles going to insist that JJ, the more senior guy (b/c Miles is like that) get the reps over RS? I guess I hope that Russell asserts himself this off season, puts on about 10 pounds, and really competes in GC's offense. There's more than meets the eye, perhaps. :shock:
Crowton has a pattern of losing productivity. His playcalling is horrendous, and it's proven by our rank in offense. That's the smoking gun in all of this. We could have easily lost three more games. The West is getting too strong to just wait and see, and hope things turn around. If Miles keeps them next year will be ugly, and the beginning of the end for Miles, and that saddens me. :bncry:
It ain't that simple. The smoking gun in all of this is Ryan Perrilloux who should have been starting in an offense designed for him for the last two years. Crowton has had to do what he could with the green quarterbacks he had to use before they were ready. Older and better trained junior quarterbacks Lee and Jefferson should have been fighting to take over as the starter next August after a couple of years of relief duty.
RP would not have saved us from predictable formations based upon personnel (RS and TH come in = option to short side of the field or decent gain on the ground on 1st down = 5 wide set on 2nd). Not getting plays in on time, even after a TO. Trying to pass in game winning situations when not needed (UGA & OM) I could go on...
Yea, lets blame the season and all our problems on RP.:rolleye33: The truth of the matter is that good coaches are able to work with the players that they have or design plays for their different styles. I guess Crowton didn't have Perilloux at Oregon and that is why his offense went downhill there just like it has here. One would think that CLM's hasn't recruited a good Qb, they must all be walk ons!:rolleye33:
There it goes again, a seemingly disregard for facts and circumstances. Let's all remember first off that Crowton was I believe only at Oregon for 2 years. The first year he went 10-2, and Dennis Dixon had returning players around him. The second year, he did go 7-6, but had several key first-year players. Dennis Dixon's passing rating, coincidentally, also dropped about 20 points that season. Oddly enough, the next year, players that he largely groomed (including Dennis Dixon) had a 9-4 year after some of those first-year kids had another year under their belts. I'm also fairly certain that "playcalling" wasn't the sole reason for improvement or regression. While I think that some of the "perception" of regression is apparent from records, perhaps, there's a lot more to it than meets the eye. Offensive statistics in 2006 vs 2005 for Crowton aren't significantly different... he had more rushing yards and less passing efficiency in 2006, but more overall yards (approx 5400 vs. 5200) in his 7-6 year than his 10-2 year. But for a tailspin at the end of the 2006 where they lost 4 straight (seem eerily similar to LSU's year last year?), he would have likely had very similar years. I guess folks will just have to see what happens next year, but I'd guess that the offense will improve next year.
at where LSU is ranked it shouldn't be hard to improve :grin: also, you can throw stats out all you want, I think everyone agrees that the personnel was not used creatively at all. In 12 twelve games Crowton established no identity on offense, period.
True enough... and if we went 9-3 this year, with an improved offense, we should do better, right? :lol: Seriously though, I agree with the seemingly "lack of identity". I also identified this as a major risk going into the season, when folks put up the "what worries you most" about the 09-10 season thread. I think the hard part of the equation is when you don't really know what your personnel will do in big games, you by default will have to experiment. The problem going into the season was probably to some degree, a healthy debate between Miles and Crowton. Do you establish the run with Scott to help alleviate pressure on JJ? Logical, but then running backs get hurt and quite frankly the O-Line doesn't dominate. Do you then let JJ loose a little? He was quite frankly still mastering the throws for much of the season. How do you use RS in all this, when there are upper classmen that Miles is loyal to? All in all, it's a little easier to play armchair QB obviously than for real. I think even now, as we head into 2010, it's not clear what LSU should emphasize, and there's likely to be healthy debate on this board for the months to come. Do you try to make JJ a drop back QB, like JR? Do you give some reps at QB to RS, or utilize him primarily at RB, KR and WR (like Holiday), since Miles is likely to give JJ pole position? We are not the closest ones to the practice field, so we are just guessing. But, I'll say that I do think JJ will be better, and with another full year of reading defenses in practice, hopefully, we'll see a much improved JJ running the full GC offense. Also, as much as Scott, TH and KW meant to the program, I actually think them being gone will force some issues that will probably be for the better. :geauxtige I actually also think that the bowl game will be telling. Miles is very good at synthesizing a season and having his guys and game plan ready for the bowl game. We'll see how JJ and GC do against PSU.
