Offensive Formations

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  1. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    This is getting a little ridiculous. I'll accept the premise that the offense went back to old habits in the Florida game. But I could give less than a damn about formations if the offensive is productive. Against Ole Miss? The problems all stemmed from being too aggressive throwing the ball. In the second half, we threw for 172 yards and scored 24 points. That's a fine offensive pace to be on. Hill, Hilliard and Magee combined averaged better than 4.6 ypc; our rushing stats for the game are severely skewed by a -30 thanks to sacks. Hell, we could have used some old fashioned Big 10 pounding of the rock on the last series. Check the play-by-play sheet; we got the ball with 8:03 left in the game and proceeded to throw 8 consecutive passes. No work on the clock. And the throws were downfield; 4 completions on the 8 throws, all to WRs and all for 14 yards or better. We didn't run the ball until we got in the red zone. There were several of us in the chat room throughout the drive saying "Why do we keep throwing?" We ended up going 80 yards on 11 plays. Fine drive, but it only burned 4:44.

    Bottom line; we lost the game to a team that isn't better, but was better prepared than we were. If you want to blame coaching, that's where the focus should be, not the offensive formations.
     
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  2. lsufan52

    lsufan52 Lsu baseball fan from old box to new

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    true back to the ole les miles running up the middle against a stacked back up defense and losing.
     
  3. lsufan52

    lsufan52 Lsu baseball fan from old box to new

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    why hire cameron if miles goes back to a basic offense,what happens against bama big boy football, we all know the answer to that 21 to 0 lsu loses.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Look, we lost that game at Ole Miss because of throwing the ball long. Did you watch it?
     
  5. lsufan52

    lsufan52 Lsu baseball fan from old box to new

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    i watched but did miles correct the mistakes no got scared and went back to him calling plays and losing did you even watch that.
     
  6. HalloweenRun

    HalloweenRun Founding Member

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    Nobody needs to go, we are doing fine, not great but fine.

    But, It is not much fun.

    Frequently boring when we win, and teeters on catastrophic if close. I would rather be exciting, unpredictable wide open, and lose, than grinding along and winning, or losing.

    I know I am in the minority, but I don't enjoy watching all that much. I watch, on replay, cause I am a fan, but it more of an obligation than a "get out of my friggin way, the game is on."

    I would rather be entertained, and win mostly, for 11 weeks, than win the NC in a boring, predictable manner. But I am old.
     
  7. locoguano

    locoguano Founding Member

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    Which only serves to illustrate my point. Les has no concept of what a modern offense is. If you have WRs who run a 4.4 and can dance like gazelles you don't have to send them on fly routes over and over. Hit them short, let them work in space, and make a play. Early on, the 7-10 yard square in was bread and butter... You haven't seen that route since before the Florida game.
     
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  8. Perple

    Perple Founding Member

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    damn, you fell out of the stupid tree & hit every branch

    guess you think that Fournette kid wants to be called scared, bad play calling, conservative big 10. on second thought..doubt you know who he is
     
  9. west_tex_tiger

    west_tex_tiger Founding Member

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    Are offensive formations not part of coaching???? Of course they are. The way you line up is absolutely a coaching decision. If the way you line up tips the other team off to the play that is coming and reduces the effectiveness of the play, that is questionable coaching. In my original post, I am not even suggesting that we ran the ball too much, threw the ball too much, or which one cost us the game. I was simply suggesting that getting in what is effectively a goal line offense in the middle of the field is a poor strategic decision. The element of surprise and deception is an important advantage to have as an offense, and LSU gives that up way too often. In my view, this type of strategy and coaching is WAY outdated, and we could do a hell of a lot better by rethinking it...

    and no, I am not suggesting that we fire Les Miles, Cam Cameron, or John Chavis
     
  10. Perple

    Perple Founding Member

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    how "creative and deceptive" was LSU in '75? try 4-7, unless you want to count the MSU forfeit to get it to 5-6. Meeichigan went 8-2-2 in '75 lost the orange bowl - #8 final ranking.

    kinda dumb to point out a much better team than your own was...don't you think?

    we haven't had anybody near a Schembechler level coach here. miles is the closest so far
     

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