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b_leblanc That's just my game...

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WinnfieldTiger said: ↑

Double MF the option. We have tried to run the option with JJ at QB for four years and other than a couple of times, like the inflatable dart board, it just don't work for us (at least not with JJ).

Run, pass, run, pass, run, win.

Double dog screw the damn option. Thank you b_leblanc.
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No worries...I do what I can. :hihi:

b_leblanc, Jan 13, 2012

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b_leblanc said: ↑

Motherphuck the option. Please, please, please, please, please, please, please no more mobile quarterbacks. We need a pocket passer. Please no more 2qb system.
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I can't "THIS" this enough

ASD, Jan 13, 2012

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RHans405 Let's Roll

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How about the Oklahoma state OC? Les has ties there.

RHans405, Jan 13, 2012

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AtlantaBengal said: ↑

Not "no" but "hell no!"

First of all, you've got to have the right pieces to run the option effectively in college football--especially the SEC.

If JJ was our most athletic QB on the roster, he SUCKED doing it....and now with him gone, our next QB's in line (Mett was #3 and when JJ was suspended, Rivers was #3 and traveled to all away games) are both pocket passers and our biggest recruit (Kiel) is as well.

So an OC from a program that runs a heavy-option offense is NOT going to suit us and the make up of our offense as it currently stands.

We've got to get an OC that currently operates in an offense that uses similar methods as we have.

That's NOT to say run the same play 90% of the time like we witnessed Monday....but to utilize a run-first approach to soften the coverage up top for play action passes and/or single back formations to have a combo of 3 WR from OBJ, Landry, Shep (if he's indeed returning) and Wright to run short, quick routes to get these guys the ball quickly and in POSITIVE yardage--not always trying to get them the ball at the LOS on screen plays when the defense is already up on the line defending against the run.

For me, the first name I come up with is Charlie Molnar, OC for Notre Dame.

I know a lot of peole here are anti-Irish, but they do play a formidable schedule for an independant. That's important because it shows that they are battle tested so their stats aren't padded like his schemes were being run vs a midmajor schedule. They were run vs the likes of Stanford, USC, Michigan, Michigan St., etc. so their season offensive rankings of 35th nationally (55th rushing, 40th passing) is rather respectible. It's also not far off (with minor tweeks of course) to be the run-first, ball control offense Miles craves.

Under Molnar, Freshman QB, Rees, completed a school Freshman record 61% of his passes. I know turnovers were a problem with ND's offense, but Brian Kelley, unlike Miles, is a pass-first coach....so when you're set up like that (and have an ave. at best defense) it forces you to throw more which obviously leads to more INT opportunities. That wouldn't be the case here.

Prior to ND, he held the title of passing coordinator for Kelly at Cincy and his track record shows he's not a 1-trick pony. He gets multiple positions in the passing game involved.

At Cincy, he took Mardy Gilyard (St. Louis Rams) '09 1st Team All-American and the schools leader in receptions, rec. yards and rec. TD's. This is important to note because Gilyard is NOT a big, tall WR. He's on the shorter side (which, with RR's announced departure for the NFL, had a few posters here worried about our WR group being left without a WR with real "height").

At CMU, he guided Dan LeFevour (Bengals) to all conference (as a Freshman).

He also produced an NFL TE in OJ Santiago (Falcons).

So, as you can see, his offense has been pretty effective and kind to young, first-time starters at both the mid-major level and a big-boy school (ND) and a BCS school (Cincy in the Big East). He's shown the ability to generate massive stats using "shorter" WR's or more accurately stated, in absence of a "tall" WR and he's developed the TE position to be used more as a weapon in the passing offense (that would do well with Clement--who SHOULD be coached to use his big body to shield defenders and should be a Gronkowski type if pushed and used enough)....can you imagine the numbers DeAngelo Peterson would have had if he had actually been used????

Again, don't get caught up on the turnovers that the Irish offense committed. Their defense was, like I said, average at best and because they couldn't stop anyone, it forced their offense to either play from behind vs tougher competition or revert to getting them in a shootout and dispite that, they were still disciplined enough to utilize the running game to finish being ranked 55th nationally at 160 ypg.
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I guess I should have put a :milesmic: behind my remark. I was only being facetious with that comment. I hate the option at LSU. JJ NEVER ran it well from day one. I sure hope that Miles really did not go by the game tape with GSU vs Bama as a format for gameplanning for BamaII. IF he did he is an idiot. Teams like GSU and Wofford (right here in little old Spartanburg, SC) make a living out of running the option and do it very well. You can't learn that in 33 days. Our offense showed improvement when we had the better downfield passer, Lee, in the games this season. I am willing to bet that our Offense will be better, by default, next season, even if we keep the Studthorpe offense we have right now based on better QB play.

I's still like to see a real OC on board to blend with the real DC, Chavis we have already.

tigerace, Jan 13, 2012

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Since Sean Payton is busy leading the Saints to another Super Bowl, let's be a little more realistic: Pete Carmichael(the Saints current OC). I'm being serious.

ehusson80, Jan 14, 2012

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Pennsylvania Go easy on me

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Jay Paterno is available.

Pennsylvania, Jan 14, 2012

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Les to the new OC all plays come through me!!!

TigerCliff, Jan 14, 2012

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Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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IF we get a new OC, and notice I said IF.....then we need to look to the NFL. IMHO these gimmick style offenses that a lot of the high school teams and college teams employee would be quickly exposed against good defenses. (Ask Gus Malzahn about this)

Tiger in NC, Jan 14, 2012

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b_leblanc That's just my game...

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ehusson80 said: ↑

Since Sean Payton is busy leading the Saints to another Super Bowl, let's be a little more realistic: Pete Carmichael(the Saints current OC). I'm being serious.
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Why the hell does Sean Payton even have an OC? Doesn't he create and call his own plays anyway?

b_leblanc, Jan 14, 2012

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b_leblanc said: ↑

Why the hell does Sean Payton even have an OC? Doesn't he create and call his own plays anyway?
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Carmichael has been calling the plays since Payton got injured.

ok awesome, Jan 14, 2012

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