Obummer Administration wants to lie, so much for transparency

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  1. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    I'll give you bad Obummer foreign policy.
    The American Hostages held in North Korea, Iran during his term.
    We paid off those countries for their return.

    Then you have him ignoring Iran's development of nuclear weapons, not only has he done nothing he has looked the other way. Iran has threatened to wipe other countries off the face of the earth.

    Iran Rattles Saber at Israel, US - Middle East - News - Israel National News

    Iran would cause serious damage to the United States and Israel should Jewish state strike the Islamic Republic's nuclear program, Iran's top military official said on Wednesday.

    The "Zionist regime's military attack against Iran would lead to heavy damages to the US as well as [to the] Zionist regime," Iran's Chief of Staff Maj.-Gen. Hassan Fayrouz Abadi said
     
  2. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    the title is misspelled, its obama, not obummer
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Just wait? Then Obama has yet to be wrong on a foreign policy decision.

    This not true. The Constitution does not mention tents nor duration. Such legal protests go back to the dawn of the Constitution.

    No, Kennedy was. Your refusal to perceive that there are a large number of moderates out there is clouding your judgement on many things.

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    Few people are liberals, most are moderates and conservatives. You tend to lump all moderates with liberals. Anyone that is not a republican is a liberal to you.

    Just wait until Egypt or Libya backfires. How about not going in front of Congress like the law states he was suppose to do.

    I'm waiting . . .

    Sure.

    The committee is Congressional issue. Obama has no say in it.

    Fair enough. I have problems with much of the Patriot Act, but it was Bush's Act not Obama's. It was passed by Congress and it will take Congress to initiate a change. Obama only has veto power. Sitting presidents are empowered by the law and have no motive to change it.

    And he's ending both wars, did you think it would take only a week or two? Libya was not a war for us, just airpower support for a Libyan revolution. Anybody can see the difference. Obama did good in Libya, played it exactly right. But your blind hatred can't let you acknowledge this. You give him no credit for taking out terrorists, and instead criticize him for it.

    I spend all my time shooting down lies and speculation. No one ever asks about his true weaknesses, which are not that severe.

    So you are saying Romney is a liberal. I think you may have abandoned the republicans and moved even farther right to the radical right wing. Beware, there are a lot of crazies out there.

    There has been no nationalization of health care.

    I've read the Constitution, have you? It begins . . . WE THE PEOPLE. Did you forget that?

    In fact the entire Constitution describes the organization of the government, which is a group, you know. It is the Bill of Rights which established the rights of individual citizens, but it does not exclude the duties of government nor the rights of groups.

    The first amendment gives people the right to assemble and petition the government. That a group right, my friend.

    The second amendment states that the people have a right to a militia and to bear arms. Another group right.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Not in the matter of issuing Preseidential decrees. You were wrong.

    Changing the subject again. The question was why are you criticizing Obama for taking out Al Awlaki and other terrorists? Answer it, don't go off on a tangent again.

    Quote please. I find this hard to believe.

    What in the world are you talking about? :huh:

    You are often inaccurate, as I have pointed out in detail.

    Imagine that! Who got them released?

    Bush created TSA. WTF does Obama have to do with individual TSA agents policies? You are grasping at straws.

    What are you talking about?
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    What are you afraid of seeing?

    Or not.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Evidence?

    Iran has no nuclear weapons and is a threat to no one. Thay talk loudly and have no stick.

    They have no capability to do so. They are yakking loudly like third-world dictators do. They are scared to death of us. We have taken down countries on both side of them. The point was not lost on them. They are not going to do one damn thing that will bring them into a shooting war with the United States of America.
     
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    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    BBC News - Hikers Bauer and Fattal back in US after Iran release

    Two Americans released by Iran have returned home after spending more than two years in jail on spying charges for allegedly crossing from Iraq.

    At a news conference, Joshua Fattal and Shane Bauer, both 29, reiterated that they were innocent, and said they been detained because of their nationality.

    They were released by Iran last week under a $1m bail deal and flew to Oman.

    Since their arrest in 2009, they have insisted they had been hiking. Fellow hiker Sarah Shourd was freed last year.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The Islamic Republic of Oman, which brokered the deal, paid their bail. The US has no diplomatic relations with Iran. Oman owes us for many things, including protecting them from Iran and Iraq. This was a smooth diplomatic move engineered by Hillary.
     
  9. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Found what I was looking for in the United Nations speech instead.....
    Text - Obama’s Speech to the United Nations General Assembly - NYTimes.com
    "In an era when our destiny is shared, power is no longer a zero-sum game. No one nation can or should try to dominate another nation. No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed. No balance of power among nations will hold. The traditional divisions between nations of the South and the North make no sense in an interconnected world; nor do alignments of nations rooted in the cleavages of a long-gone Cold War."

    In other words he has and is leading America in decline. There is no denial of this. No one can prove otherwise, dismantling and cutting defenses, credit rating downgrades, Economy in decline.
    This president has a world view that is in conflict with the office of president of the United States. He is a globalist and is more interested in being a citizen of the world than doing what is right for the American people.

    Another quote again,
    "No one nation can or should try to dominate another nation."
    "No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed."

    The only way he can accomplish this is to see an America in decline because America was that nation or group. I don't make things up, I don't always get it right because its from memory but I don't make things up!
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    What utter nonsense! He's stating the obvious to an audience of sovereign countries. America is a superpower, but has never tried to dominate the world. No American President has ever gone before the United Nations and said that "we own you and dominate you and there is nothing you can do about it". How stupid would that be?

    Of course I can and emphatically. Are you sure you are up to it? It won't be pretty.

    The economy is NOT in decline. Growth is slow but it is growth, no decline. Get it right.

    Your delusions are not our problem. There is no evidence of this foolishness.
     

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