Obummer Administration wants to lie, so much for transparency

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  1. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    I find it interesting you guys came or at least Red did when it was convenient for you.... Just give Obama total control of the government and let him do what he will such as this supposedly kill list and let them hide everything and lie about everything they want and we will see where it takes us.
    It is a two way street here for any leader in government, it can be for good or bad.
     
  2. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    I freely admit I didn't read the article or link that SDM posted. I just don't like barry and wanted to get red's panties all wadded up. I despise the aclu and everything they stand for but barry is without a doubt a marxist and a socialist by his own admission. Of course (you know who) will swing in here on his tarzan vine yelling about context and that it really doesn't matter what he studied when he was in college. The dude said it, his words, can't blame it on rush or hannity. Sort of like if you sit in a church for 20 years but....
     
  3. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    I gotcha. No love lost for BO either, but I gotta call 'em like I see 'em.

    add: The article was about what you'd expect. An editor crying foul over something that seems extreme on the surface. Of course, he doesn't acknowledge the media's contribution to the climate that made the change necessary.
     
  4. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    I have no problem with that so do I my friend!
    I am tired of people ignoring Obama's past and his tendencies....
    Its time for people to speak up to save the country from the transformation he referred too. I think he wants to crash the system whether it be violent protests or financial crash to usher in socialism or something else.
    I suspect this to happen before the next election, there may be no election next year btw.
    I aint buying the Bush arguments, Bush wasn't the one calling the other side the enemy or setting up website for people to spy on the opposition.
    Bush wasn't the one working in the private sector saying he felt like he was behind enemy lines.
    Its time to tell it like it is with this administration and their sheep.
    Trust me, I hope I am sadly mistaken but Democrats are now coming out suggesting suspending the next election, I am now suggesting this partly because of that.

    Nor would the media ever admit to anything, they are part of the problem.:grin:
     
  5. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    I have re-read your post and agree with it for the most part but there is a big difference in keeping strategies quiet during strategies against an enemy who has attacked us versus a rogue administration that seems hostile to Capitalism and the very American way of life, this is based on many things but especially Obama's language, enemies, hand to hand combat, etc.
    Transformation of the country by nationalizing health care, loans, deciding which businesses and banks fail, etc.
    Also remember during the health care signing, he said he didn't care about the process he only cared about the result!
    If he believes that about health care what else does he believe that about?
    Everything I listed above meaning posts above!

    I've got an idea, let Obama put me on a website because I stand against him for the very things he has said, done, policies, racial comments by him and his wife, Reverend Wright.
    I don't trust Obama as a person for many reason, so put me on a hit list.
    Let him kill me, I have read about this list, he can wipe out who he wants too and let them hide and lie about this.
    Let them do the same for Operation Fast and Furious, Black Panther Case and anything else you choose. A rogue government.
    Is that what you want?
     
  6. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Truly, why can't things be like they have always been with the government, classified?
    There is no justification for being deceitful, hiding or telling lies. This kind of stuff happens in Oppressed countries. Its amazing to me more people don't understand this. It show the true colors of the person at the top right now and his administration and how dangerous things can and have become.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Go get a dictionary, Junior. Or an encyclopedia. Look up Marxist and Socialist and try to learn something.

    Then tell me what about Obama meets any of those criteria. Good luck.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    When has this happened? :huh:

    Do you not understand that intelligence and other classified documents require lies and false information, most specifically giving no information at all, the very thing you are objecting to here. There is nothing new in this rule. Governments from the dawn of time have had official secrets and official lies. We didn't acknowledge that we had broken German codes during WWII for 30 years. Be reasonable. There are thing that governments must keep secret.

    So you haven't read the document that you are complaining about? :insane: You just take somebody's word about it. Somebody with an agenda?

    Now you are changing the subject away from the document about freedom of information. Start a new thread if you want to discuss Black Panthers.

    It wasn't a liberal source by any means, but that's my point. Somebody has made an issue out of nothing and it is being blindly copied and repeated, with embellishments. I went straught to the official proposed rules and found that it is nothing like those lurid headlines.

    Why not? Half the country does. It is very simple. The last Republican administration almost ruined us and I don't want Republicans back. If there was a moderate third party, I would support it. If Hillary ran, I would support her. But Obama is closer to the middle than any republican right now.

    No, I am not. Start a thread and enlighten us.

    Amen, Hallelujah, brother. That is a good first step.

    Other than Guantanamo, I can't imagine what you are talking about. He wound down the war in Iraq, he stepped up the war against AL Qaeda in Pakistan, he succeeded in killing bin Ladin and 3 other top terrorists, etc. All of his social policies have been different.

    Now you are making no sense at all. This is completely absurd. I can understand why right-wingers want to disown him . . . but you can't. He WAS a conservative and remains a conservative. There are many factions on the right wing and most of them are severely flawed. Every time a reasonable republican, a moderate republican, or an intellectual republican emerges, he is marginalized by the fanatical extremists, the neo-cons, the religious right, the traditional conservatives, or the Tea Party.

    Excellent. Now just move a bit to the middle and look around again.
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Where do you get these crazy notions? :insane:

    Obama doesn't have total control of the government any more than any other president.

    What kill list? :huh:
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Prove it. Or STFU.
     

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