Obummer Administration wants to lie, so much for transparency

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  1. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    I don't know how anyone can support this lawless bunch running the country.
    Keep in mind that any government that can get away with this when you can THINK a while about it can get away with anything!

    Editorial: Proposed FOIA rule changes seek to keep citizens in dark - The Denver Post

    The federal Freedom of Information Act was supposed to be a torch that journalists, advocates and ordinary people could use to cast a light on the operations of their government.

    It's profoundly disappointing to see the Obama administration proposing changes to FOIA that would allow federal agencies to lie about the very existence of information being sought.

    That's not progress, and it's certainly not transparency, a principle the president has repeatedly and publicly pledged allegiance to.

    We hope the U.S. Department of Justice backs away from these and other FOIA rule revisions it has proposed.

    The worst among them, in our estimation, is the proposed change that would allow the government to tell those requesting information under FOIA that the material does not exist when, in fact, it does.

    The change would apply to certain law enforcement or national security documents.

    Currently, the government can issue what is called a Glomar response, which is when the government neither confirms nor denies the existence of the material.
     
  2. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    FIFY
     
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  3. LSUTiga

    LSUTiga TF Pubic Relations

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    In an election where almost any Democrat would win (considering the Republican pool) Obama is toast. No more of that funky monkey.
     
  4. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    That is good, we need someone who believes in the American people and not one who believes government is the answer for all the problems in the world. Enough of this socialist Marxist behavior and beliefs.
     
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  5. LSUTiga

    LSUTiga TF Pubic Relations

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    I concur.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You clearly don't even understand what a socialist or a Marxist is.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    So suddenly you have become a supporter of the ACLU and you think that a government cannot have state secrets or classified information and that all requests for information must be accommodated. Funny you didn't object when the Bush administration proposed all of this in the OPEN Government Act of 2007.

    HERE is the proposed FOIA revisions. Please point out to me where in this document the government is being "a lawless bunch".

    All the document does is require denials to requests for classified information "respond to the request as if the excluded records did not exist. This response should not differ in wording from any other response given by the component." This is and has always been standard operating procedure with regards to classified information. Acknowledging its very existence can compromise certain classified data.

    Let's say that the ACLU or the New York Post makes a request for documents listing all US spies that have assassinated foreign intelligence agents. Obviously we are not going to reveal that spies exist, assassinations have been done, or that the US in involved with them by indicating that such a document might exist.

    Why would you want this information released? Are you some kind of communist or socialist? An enemy of the United States? Or just a political hack trying to make something out of nothing for political reasons?
     
  8. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    I do. One is sitting in the white house this very second. It is however crystal clear that you are the one who doesn't know one from adam.
     
  9. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    No, I don't support the ACLU for many of their stances but sometimes they cross over to sanity and agree with me.
    I don't know about the Bush Administration and don't give a crap about going backwards except I will tell you I have changed my stances and beliefs somewhat about that administration over the years. It was a mistake going into Iraq, we shouldn't have done it. We certainly shouldn't have stayed and occupied in both of these countries as long as we did.
    Bush and the Liberals brought us Obama, the guy who supports the overthrow of Democracies so that they become Islamist Countries, he also was silent on Iran's movement, he is a raghead in my book. He is overseeing and undermining this country while supporting protestors who are turning violent, community organizer.
    NO, I have never said that the government shouldn't have secrets but I also believe the government shouldn't "LIE" about secrets or provide false information.
    I said lawless bunch for many reasons, I am not interested in reading any government document really, I don't trust the sources as long as this guy is in office. This government is out of control, lawless on both sides. The Republicans have failed to do their jobs to hold this Administration accountable for breaking the law.
    Operation Fast and Furious where many people have been killed by this administrations actions for starters.
    How about the information now coming out in the Black Panther Case, Holder isn't going to prosecute Blacks.
    You really twist things don't you? I even used a liberal source and looked at many articles and they all use the word "lie" for a reason.
    If I was I'd be part of the occupation Obama approves of.....
    If I was I'd be a part of the occupation movement Obama approves of.
    I am a patriot who believes in the old USA, I support the Constitution, Bill of Rights and the beliefs of the founding fathers. I believe in individual rights not group rights, I believe in a limited federal government. I am almost leaning Libertarian these days. Believe that is going to happen because of the ridiculous amount of debt.
    Why all the name calling? wow, I really can't believe you support this administration like you do. You must also approve of the great uniter who has become the great divider, transparency in government which has become secrecy. Are you aware Democrats in NY are now trying to change the first amendment to a privilege?
    Even Democrats such as Steve Jobs, Wyn from Las Vegas as others have come out and talked about how unfriendly this administration is towards business.
    Let's talk about in Obama's book, when he worked in the private sector, how he felt he was behind enemy lines. That certainly aint capitalism friend.

    Let this ring out loud and clear, since I have been gone from this forum the last few years I changed my status, I am an unaffiliated voter. I NO LONGER support any party because I am tired of both sides raping me monetarily and infringing on my rights. I am like Red! :hihi: This is the truth in front of God and Country!

    One more thing, Red supports Obama and this Administration but didn't support the Bush Administration even though the Obama Administration has kept everything the same with few exceptions. I'll say this also, Bush was a Liberal, he wasn't a conservative. I quit supporting him years ago and their is plenty of evidence stating that here going years back. I have changed my views somewhat since 2006, had plenty of time to think, I believe i am smarter for it, I can think "out of the box".
     
  10. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    SDM, Shane, I've got to come down on the same side of the argument as Red on this one. FOIA is a good thing when used properly, i.e.; when the media is in its proper watchdog role of letting the people know if the gov't is not behaving as they are supposed to. But somewhere down the line, the media went too far, believing FOIA to mean the gov't is not entitled to keep secrets. I remember it happened twice in the Bush Admin where useful programs to obtain information on terrorist networks had to be scrapped because the media decided we had to know about it. No, we didn't need to know, but the truth was, the media in our current society has decided that there is no such thing as a story that shouldn't be told, and if it screws up a good thing by telling it, well so be it. I'm not going to be a hypocrite and point fingers at the Obama Admin on this one. Somewhere down the line, my guy will be Pres, and he'll need the protection this rule change provides. Remember, I'm a member of the media talking, and I think its pretty sad that this rule even needed to be written. Once upon a time, reporters were Americans first and reporters second.
     

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