now that we have that well established, lets talk about your posts and opinions. i think that all 3 issues we have mentioned here, AZ, oil leak, and memorial day, none of these issues have much of anything to do with obama, and he deserves criticism for none of them. you apparently have no opinion and would rather snipe like a child. and that is fine, if a bit boring. the only opinoin you have offered wasnt even yours, it was mine. i asked if you favor obama telling people to work harder, and you thought he should. thats not a particularly nuanced viewpoint. your criticisms of obama are totally unfounded, and completely unsupported when questioned. you ignore questions about them because you are unwilling to defend your own positions. this makes me think you should reconsider whether you should say anything in the first place. oil leaks, like katrina, are not the fault of the president. we should probably realize things like this and reconsider our priorities when judging our leaders. or we can snipe like children, that works too.
so we agree, political fallout and obsession with perception are things that do not matter to us. it matters to other people. stupid people with bad priorities. in order to be less misleading, you should never have described it as a "failure" that obama didnt cheerlead. because omaba's maintenance of his purely political tasks is not something you are concerned about, according to you. next time when i ask how obama has failed say this: " he hasnt. he has done a poor job of managing the way he is perceived, but this is not something i care about, as i do not desire a president that is concerned mostly with his perception over actual policy. in terms of actual policy obama has done nothing wrong here" that would be a more accurate way to say what you now pretend you meant all along and only changed when pressed.
i wish you would be more willing to defend your positions and not just snipe. why bother having opinions or posting your criticisms of obama? i mean, bully for you, you admitted you were wrong about the memorial day thing (although to be fair it took you too long to stop being an idiot and just listen to what i was telling you). was that so painful for you that you are shutting down any further examination of your opinions?
So you finally figured this out? But it does not detract from Obama's reality. He is responsible for his public perception. And on his handling of the oil spill, it is taking a hit. It will come up again during re-election time. That is called political reality, regardless of what it means to either you or me. Nothing I said was misleading. You just can't comprehend as well as you would like everyone here to believe. Being a cheerleader is his job. Not his job to me, but to the entire constituency. He must appease a majority of voters or he will not get re-elected. Or even worse, he will further damage his own party, get his congressional support revoked in the mid-term election and fail to get his agenda pushed through in his current term. His boldness with which he ignored the electorate in his first year will shrink as elections loom closer. It's called political reality. I don't let idiots put words in my mouth. You clearly have your own issues. Why would I speak to accommodate you? I mean, you're a mets fan after all. Is that your lame attempt at saving face? Really the best you got? :rofl: My words were stated exactly, precisely, initially, and repeatedly. You just got caught whining about how things should be, instead of how they are. Gradin appears to be correct. You hit rock bottom.
he is also responsible for eating his vegetables. not sure why you care. again, when i asked you how obama has failed, i wasnt asking about his failure in terms of popularity. i meant actual policy. i dont consider it a failure if the president loses points on his approval rating. presumably the people on the gulf coast who are dealing with overflowing oil agree with me and are concerned with what the president might do, not with his approval rating after those actions. thats what i was hoping to discuss, the actual policy. 99 was critical, but then turned into a coward, and you distracted the issue. when anyone wants to talk about obama's polciy relative to the oil spill, i will be waiting. my opinion is that he has not done anything wrong at all on this issue and i would like to hear what his mistakes have been.
