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LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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Theres no irony in that not all the people released where terrorist, if they where they would have had a trial for them.

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LSUMASTERMIND said: ↑

Theres no irony in that not all the people released where terrorist, if they where they would have had a trial for them.
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You're being naive.

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saltyone said: ↑

You're being naive.
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No im not and your not the authority on whos a terrorist and whos not, some of the people that were held had done nothing. Im sure you wont dispute that.

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LSUMASTERMIND said: ↑

No im not and your not the authority on whos a terrorist and whos not, some of the people that were held had done nothing. Im sure you wont dispute that.
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What "authority" do you have to dispute that they should be held? MSNBC and CNN says it, so it must be true?

saltyone, Apr 23, 2009

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This has nothing to do with a news outlet. There were mistakes made concerning who was being held there.

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LSUMASTERMIND said: ↑

This has nothing to do with a news outlet. There were mistakes made concerning who was being held there.
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Says who? What kind of mistakes?

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WASHINGTON -- The United States is holding dozens of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay who have no meaningful connection to Al Qaeda or the Taliban, and were sent to the maximum-security facility over the objections of intelligence officers in Afghanistan who had recommended them for release, according to military sources with direct knowledge of the matter.

At least 59 detainees -- nearly 10% of the prison population at the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba -- were deemed to be of no intelligence value after repeated interrogations in Afghanistan. All were placed on "recommended for repatriation" lists well before they were transferred to Guantanamo Bay, a facility intended to hold the most hardened terrorists and Taliban suspects.
Dozens of the detainees are Afghan and Pakistani nationals described in classified intelligence reports as farmers, taxi drivers, cobblers and laborers. Some were low-level fighters conscripted by the Taliban in the weeks before the collapse of the ruling Afghan regime.

None of the 59 met U.S. screening criteria for determining which prisoners should be sent to Guantanamo Bay, military sources said. But all were transferred anyway, sources said, for reasons that continue to baffle and frustrate intelligence officers nearly a year after the first group of detainees arrived at the facility.

"There are a lot of guilty [people] in there," said one officer, "but there's a lot of farmers in there too."

The sources' accounts point to a previously undisclosed struggle within the military over the handling of the detainees. Even senior commanders were said to be troubled by the problems.

Maj. Gen. Michael E. Dunlavey, the operational commander at Guantanamo Bay until October, traveled to Afghanistan in the spring to complain that too many "Mickey Mouse" detainees were being sent to the already crowded facility, sources said.

One senior Army officer described Dunlavey's visit as a "fact-finding" mission. But another who met with Dunlavey said the general's purpose was more direct: "He came over to chew us out," the officer said. Dunlavey, an Army reservist, declined to comment.

The sources blamed a host of problems, including flawed screening guidelines, policies that made it almost impossible to take prisoners off Guantanamo flight manifests and a pervasive fear of letting a valuable prisoner go free by mistake
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So you believe everyone that was held there where terrorist?

LSUMASTERMIND, Apr 23, 2009

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So you believe everyone that was held there where terrorist?
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I never said they were all terrorist. I said that you have no way of knowing who should, or should not, be held. Where is the link for the article above? Why so many..."sources say..." comments. The author even sights one source as being "classified intelligence reports". How could the author be privy to those? The only named source calls some of the detainees "Mickey Mouse"...but he doesn't say the individuals are innocent of wrong doing. Also, not everyone detained has been held indefinitely. Many were held, questioned, deemed insignificant, and sent home or elsewhere.

The above article does not prove your point. In the future, when I am having difficulty proving a point, I'm going to just say..."sources say"... "sources with direct knowledge of the matter"...or "military sources say...". I may even quote some obscure classified intelligence documents.

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i would damn sure be a terrorist now, if i didnt do anything wrong but farm dirt, and got scooped up by a military from the other side of the planet, and black bagged all the way to gitmo.

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It actually does prove my point, they quoted military officers in the article, saying that some there were just farmers. Also I never say I had a way of knowing. I strongly believe that not everyone being held or previously held were terrorist. And that was my opening statement in our little debate here.

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