Obama unites Americans

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  1. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    The house passed a bill funding everything but Obamacare. The senate refused to vote on it and the "president" refuses to negotiate.
     
  2. HalloweenRun

    HalloweenRun Founding Member

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    Actually, Red the appropriations bills (not CRA) are supposed to be sent to the senate for vote, and then to conference. The house has sent over a number of bills to help move government along, though I am not sure if any have been full appropriations bills (there should be 12 or 13) but in DEFIANCE of the CONSTITUTION the Senate has failed to do its job and vote Appropriations bills. If things even remotely worked, and they do not, the house would send over 13 bills, and the Demos in the Senate would only not pass the one that failed to include OBAMACARE. I am afraid that 12/13s of this is the Senate's fault!

    One can change the spin, one can change the blame, but you can't change the Constitution just because it does not fit the agenda....Wha....well I guess you can based on presidential decree about postponing law....

    Anyway, we are all losers, about a two term limit would fix this. Quickly.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Not a chance! What Constitutional Act has been defied? The Republican House keeps sending over bills that fund only what they want to fund and not what the Democrats want to fund. That is not going anywhere. They just keep banging their heads against the wall and gridlocking the process in their refusal to negotiate or compromise their rigid ideology.

    I once thought this, but after it happened in Louisiana it turned out to be a total disaster. Now instead of some long-term guys with long-term outlooks and expeirnece in compromise, we have a bunch of folks that know that they will only be there for two terms. So they spend the entire first term working on getting reelected and the second term they work on ideology to make the party happy and bringing pork to their district so they can get elected to some other position. They just don't care about the long-term effects of what they do because they won't be here to answer questions about them.

    Term limits is a bad idea. The voters just need to get serious about voting out the miscreants regularly and reelected the ones who learn how to get the job done. Hard to do with the gerrymandering and the party/special interest control of who runs and who doesn't.
     
  4. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    If the democrats would have consulted with the republicans on Obamacare, or at least read it before shoving it down taxpayers throats. We probably wouldn't have this stalemate. The house passes a budget. The senate makes their amends and sends it back. The house, senate and president negotiate an agreement.
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Stop trying to rewrite history. Obama made concession after concession to the GOP on health care and they did not cooperate with a single vote. So the Congress passed it anyway because they had the votes. And they were elected by the people who elected Obama twice. It's only being shoved down the Republicans throats because they refuse to compromise or cooperate and everyone knows it except you.

    The senate does not have to accept a budget that they disagree with.
     
  6. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    And the Republicans don't have to allocate funds if they choose not too. That's why they were voted in. Obama promised free health care and idiots fell for it.
     
  7. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama, with his latest fiscal cliff offer, proposes extending the Bush tax cuts for everyone earning less than $400,000 a year, and paying for it by increasing taxes on the middle class and cutting Social Security and Medicare.

    Obama's offer would allow the payroll tax holiday to expire, meaning middle class workers will see smaller paychecks in 2013. Economists have warned that the recovery is too fragile to risk a broad tax hike on workers. It would also gradually reduce Social Security, pension and disability benefits seniors are due to receive, taking a small bite up front, but building up to much larger cuts over time.

    Obama's concession to Republicans is opposed by a majority of Americans, according to a HuffPost/YouGov poll. Fifty-two percent of survey respondents said the payroll tax cut should be extended to avoid raising taxes on the middle class, while 22 percent said that it should be allowed to expire to help pay down the debt. Extending the payroll tax cut received bipartisan support: 64 percent of Democrats and 57 percent of Republicans in the survey said they supported the extension.

    He can shove those "concessions" up his ass.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No he didn't, only the idiots think so. He promised health insurance availability for everyone. Private health insurance. Why aren't the Republicans supporting private industry? Are they socialists?
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    That quote is from two years ago. Get with the plan.
     

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