I'll give you the top 6. 1. He made the call without hesitation to go in after bin Ladin with orders to kill when intel only had a 70% certainty that he was there. He authorized them to dump his body in the ocean. 2. He set a schedule for Iraq withdrawal and has stood by it, forcing the Iraqis to step up and take charge of their own country. Casualties have almost stopped and we will be out in December unless the Iraqis ask us to retain a small group of trainers. 3. He steered the right course in Libya. He forced the Europeans to finally step up and take control of what is essentially a problem on their turf. We got in quickly and bashed Libya's air force and anti-aircraft systems and then turned it over to NATO except for drone attacks and intelligence. 4. He stepped up drone attacks in Pakistan, despite Pakistani objections, to hit our enemies where they are hiding. More recently the administration bluntly accused Pakistan of aiding in the attack on the US embassy. He's taking no chit from Pakistan unlike the last guy who kissed their asses. 5. He's stepped up the assault on Al Qaeda. In addition to killing bin Ladin, we have taken out two other top Al Qaeda leaders and dozens of lower-ranked leaders, decimating Al Qaeda leadership. We're now covertly using drones and air strike to hit Al Qaeda in Yemen and Somalia. 6. He ordered the killing of the Somali pirates that held US hostages. Twice. The ones who aren't dead are in US custody in the US and awaiting trials.
i dont really agree with the existence of such a concept. you could argue that he led us to health care reform, and that is "leadership". but i dont want that, i dont want that sort of leadership. he could do nothing and it would be superior. what matters is principles. i dont care if nobody listens to a word he says and nobody rallies behind him and everyone hates him and thinks he is an awful leader or whatever. if he lowers taxes then he is a good president. again, a robot programmed to vote down spending bills and to fight wars would make a good president. its actual policy that matters. the president is not a cheerleader, he is a policy manager.
the things obama has done well have been a contiunuation of bush policies, and a reversal of his own. he campaigned on an anti-war policy, yet he has brought tropps home no faster than bush would have. and he sides with the government on wire-tapping cases and such. and he hasnt closed guantanamo like he promised, which of course was a stupid pandering promise.
Bullchit. List them. More bullchit. Bush promised to "stay the course", did just that, and brought no troops home. You're guessing. Obama did what he promised.
Red, you make it sound like Bush would have kept Troops over there for decades..... You really think Bush wouldn't have given the kill order on OBL? Come on, Bushes faults are well known, but OBL wouldn't be dead if Obama was president during 9/11. Not to mention the methods of which the information came. I and others give Obama credit for what he's done over there and continues to do, I respect it as it is the right decision to keep pressure on those D-bags, but don't act like it was all Obama....
We'll never know. We can only take him at his word and assess what he actually did. That wasn't the question. The question was whether Obama has shown any leadership. Would it have been leadership if Bush did it, but somehow it ain't when Obama does? :dis: :huh: More guesses. You just can't accept that Obama has done some very good things and has shown leadership more than once. When has that happened?
even the left agrees with me " he will continue to deny legal rights to the 600 detainees the U.S. is holding at Bagram, Afghanistan, just as Mr. Bush did.- keith olbermann Read more: Olbermann Frets Obama" "Obama voted yes on preauthorizing the much ballyhooed Patriot Act, sought by the Bush administration." - Obama, like Bush, ignores rule of law - Chicago Sun-Times "in education, the Bush-Obama comparison is spot on. If anything, Obama has taken the worst aspect of Bush's No Child Left Behind education law -- an obsession with testing -- and amplified it." On education policy, Obama is like Bush OBAMA NOW DEFENDS BUSH WIRETAPS Read more: OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DEFENDS POST-9/11 GOVERNMENT WIRETAPS - NYPOST.com wiretaps, closing guantano, continuing the wars all sorts of things. the left is up in arms about it. you are not because you are such a blind follower of obama he can do no wrong. "I am a proud Christian who believes deeply in Jesus Christ." obama
You have stepped into the trap. How is all this exemplify non-leadership when Obama does a thing, but leadership when Bush does the same thing.
learn to read. i think i was the guy who just said i dont care about leadership and praised obama for sticking with good bush policy. the left are the critical ones. i just said explicitly that obama is doing good by following in bush's footsteps. bush spent way too much, he is terrible. obama is worse. bush had stellar foreign policy, obama is doing basically 90% of what bush would have done. and that is good, obama has been great hardballing pakistan, like bush would have. again, i dont give a damn about "leadership". that term is meaningless without context. again, the left is up in arms about these similarity between bush and obama. but never red, he cant be bothered to be critical of the lovely barry O
Which is absurd. Obama is not doing what Bush did. What you imagine Bush might have done is totally irrelevant. Untrue, Just your cop-out for refusing to admit that Obama can do anything well.. Bush never did! He had plenty of opportunities but he never did pressure Pakistan. You strike out on this. Nonsense. The left will vote Obama in 2012. The fact that he is criticized from both extremes demonstrates that he is a pragmatic moderate, not a knee-jerk liberal.
