Obama Executive Actions on Firearms

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  1. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    This shows how eff'd up the order is. It is a showpiece only to shoe his 'good intentions '. Everything he as done in the last 7+ years has ended up in the shit.....Obamacare, Egypt, Libya, Iran, Russia (including Crimeia and Ukraine) and Syria. The economy is in a shambles and tanking. His one success is in being the greatest divider in history.
     
  2. uscvball

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    Because their policies and procedures are in direct opposition to Obama's insistence that islam and radical elements NOT be identified specifically when identifying potential suspects or during any of the 4 steps to radicalization. Nobody within the organization was ever held responsible for security failures at the Ft. Hood incident. The Warren Commission report outlined several problems with how the FBI handled Hasan. There have been multiple lapses and intelligence failures both within the FBI and between the FBI and other security departments.

    "In a marked change of tone from his previous comments on the incident, President Barack Obama said Tuesday that a “systemic failure” led to the unsuccessful terrorist attack aboard a Northwest Airlines flight on Christmas Day and promised to hold accountable those responsible for it.

    “When our government has information on a known extremist and that information is not shared and acted on as it should have been, so that this extremist boards a plane with dangerous explosives that could cost nearly 300 lives, a systemic failure has occurred,” Obama said, “and I consider that unacceptable.”

    Here's another article on intelligence failures within the FBI.
    http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/54635/sec_id/54635

    Not to mention, the FBI is already having issues with hiring...
    "The FBI has a hiring problem, and drugs and money may be to blame. Reuters reports that the issue is specifically on the cybersecurity front, citing a DOJ report that shows that as of January, the FBI had hired only 39% of the 134 computer scientists it had gotten the green light to bring aboard as part of the DOJ's Next Generation Cyber Initiative; further, almost 10% of the cyber task forces in place at each FBI field office have no computer scientist among their ranks. (That is funny but sad.)

    This though Reuters describes cybersecurity threats as one of the DOJ's "top priorities." Among the road blocks: salaries lower than those found in the private sector, and some pretty strict drug testing parameters. No one who is determined to have used pot in the last three years, or other illegal drugs in the past decade, can join the FBI"
    http://www.newser.com/story/210623/the-fbi-has-a-hiring-problem.html


    I didn't say they should have background checks. What I want to know is why the government is parsing out that specific filter. Why not just say everyone at every purchase must have a background check. But better yet, how many of the mass killers in the US bought their guns through trusts, companies, or other legal entity?

    It's useless diatribe. Sloganism at it's worst. It's like the company that puts up stupid posters in the workroom that say, "Work smarter, not harder". Waste....of....time. There is no proof that communities become safer by making things harder for the law abiding among us. Criminals gonna criminal. Obama thinks he can fix that. Not.


    Now, can we dispense with the silly notion that arguments are only from the NRA and that nobody here read the executive orders?
     
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  3. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Why should someone on the no fly list be banned from owning a gun?
     
  4. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    I wonder if the NRA would pitch a fit if there was a law that didn't let Muslims buy guns?
     
  5. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Also some would argue that once you start to erode gun owners rights that Pandora's box is now opened. Just don't make it harder for responsible law abiding citizens to get a gun.

    How can the president who has seen more gun violence than any in the past, and who also was president when the fast and furious things took place expect us to believe this is nothing more than a king move on his part for show? It won't do anything.
     
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  6. HalloweenRun

    HalloweenRun Founding Member

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    I have purchased more than several rifles on the Internet. A combination of new rifles and WWII surplus from both on line dealers and auctions.

    Each one had to be shipped to a person/business that had a federal firearms license (FFL). When I go to pick up the rifle, I have to fill out a form. The guy at the counter, who specializes in this) calls some number, and within minutes (always less than five) i am on my way. The store charges $25 for the "FFL" service.

    If I am buying a pistol, I have to take a permit, signed by the county sheriff, before I start the FFL deal.

    I know I am slow, but the existing law, for me, law abiding citizen, seems to work.

    At least in regard to internet gun sales.
     
  7. mobius481

    mobius481 Registered Member

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    You still haven't showed where this infringes on your rights. Your argument has changed sevral times as I bring up new points. You sound like everyone else opposed to this.
     
  8. mobius481

    mobius481 Registered Member

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    Right, so closing up loopholes in the way others buy guns shouldn't be an issue. You won't be affected at all by this.
     
  9. mobius481

    mobius481 Registered Member

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    Are you worried that you're not smart enough to see when he actually takes away your guns. Why does closing loopholes in existing laws mean not only that the next step will be to take your guns but apparently hell be so slick about it that we won't see it coming.
     
  10. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Didn't say that's the next step. Just said it opens the door. Don't like it when a President just say fuck it. This is law now. You wanna save lives. Legalize weed so thousands aren't wasted in jail.
     

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