NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

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  1. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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  2. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    the explanation i read somewhere (the times, probably) was that il had his son order the strike to ensure his transition to leader. of course the strike was also done as propaganda to maintain the fear of the people and the importance of the military. pretty sure they were hoping for some sort of retaliation though.
     
  3. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    Im at the point, where I say screw it, give them what they are looking for and set those people free, the ones that survive.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I can't see why. For all their bluster, they are going to lose a general war, not that it will be easy for us. It won't. What some people are beginning to worry about is that younger members of the military are now getting into leadership roles. These fanatics have been steeped in propaganda their entire lives and it is said that older military leaders in the north fear that they are unrealistic in their assessments of their success. They might really think they will win, which is dangerous.

    In their minds, these provocations scare us into giving concessions in whatever their next issue will be. They often do this. But this is over the line and South Korea cannot accept it as status quo. They are staging anti-submarine drills right now and the US Navy is set to join them soon. The Peoples Democratic Republic is so worried about an air strike at their submarine base that all four of the modern subs have dispersed to sea to hide. They are diesel subs, so they have to come to the surface to recharge their batteries once a day, so they are likely lying on the bottom somewhere in North Korean waters just hiding. But if the South Koreans catch one in disputed waters it will "mysteriously disappear". Then the snowball is rolling.

    Kim may have finally crossed the line with the Chinese. The Chinese are trying to remain "neutral" on the sinking, but there is a very big internal debate going on, despite their poker face and refusal to comment further. It began last year when the DPRK defied them with the nuclear tests and inflammatory missile launches. This incident has embarrassed them abroad because they are essentially the only country on the planet that support North Korea and are correctly perceived as Godfather to a ruthless, dictatorial, poverty-stricken, fanatical lunatic that they cannot control. They are not going to openly side with South Korea and the US, whom they fear will end up in control after any new war. But they may have to finally accept that they must take charge and engineer a regime change that benefits them better than a major war that collapses the world economy upon which they depend.
     
  5. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    "according to senior American officials ... Mr. Kim ordered the sinking of the ship, the Cheonan, to help secure the succession of his youngest son.

    So far, at least in public, both American and South Korean leaders have been careful never to link Mr. Kim to the sinking of the Cheonan in March, which killed 46 sailors. Officials said that was in part because of the absence of hard evidence — difficult to come by in the rigidly controlled North — but also largely because both countries were trying to avoid playing into Mr. Kim’s hands by casting one of the worst attacks since the 1953 armistice as another piece of lore about the Kim family taking on South Korea and the West.

    The North’s state propaganda surrounding that imagery has been used by the Kim family to sustain two generations of leaders since the end of World War II. Under the leading theory of the American intelligence agencies, Mr. Kim ordered the attack to re-establish both his control and his credentials after a debilitating stroke two years ago, and by extension reinforcing his right to name his son Kim Jong-un as his successor.

    ...one factor appeared to be intelligence that he appeared on April 25, the anniversary of the founding of the Korean People’s Army, with a military unit that intelligence agencies believe to have been responsible for the attack.

    Mr. Kim used the event to praise the group, Unit 586, the officials said, and around that time a fourth star appears to have been given to Gen. Kim Myong-guk, who officials believe may have played a crucial role in executing the attack. General Kim is believed to have been demoted to a three-star general last year, perhaps in response to the humiliation that took place after a North Korean ship ventured into South Korean waters. The North Korean ship was all but destroyed, and some analysts believe the attack on the Cheonan, which was in South Korean waters, was planned as retribution.

    Nobody is going to take overt credit for the sinking,” said Jonathan Pollack, a professor at the Naval War College and an expert on North Korea’s military. “But Kim’s visit to this unit has all the hallmarks of congratulating them for a job well done.”

    The senior American officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the intelligence assessment is classified, said they ruled out the idea that General Kim or another military officer decided on his own to attack, but they did not explain how they reached that conclusion.

    Victor Cha, a North Korea expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington and a former official in the National Security Council during President George W. Bush’s second term in office, noted that when Mr. Kim was on the rise three decades ago, “there were similar incidents designed to build his credibility” as a leader. "

    U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack - NYTimes.com


    here's the article.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    North Korea now has a border incident with China, killing three Chinese. They are falling all over themselves to apologize for this one.

     
  7. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    We so sorry for kill three China man. We say fahk south korea ship, we not sorry.
     
  8. OkieTigerTK

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    that pretty well covers it.
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Now we know why Kim's eldest son was passed over for the succession. He was photographed playboying in Macao. Dude looks like Dom Deluise.

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  10. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    ITS CAPTAIN CHAOS!!!!!


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