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NFL.com Combine Grades: Claiborne, Brockers shine; Jefferson, Peterson, Baker don't

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Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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asignupe99 said: ↑

That's the rub. JJ actually had a nice combine. The comments I saw basically said that despite him being a very good athlete according to the drill AND throwing the ball well, there was too much game tape for him to truly increase his stock. So ironically, he probably did himself no good by participating. He'll probably tear it up at pro-day and still not get drafted. Hopefully he uses his UDFA signing (it will come) as an opportunity to switch positions.

Brockers DID NOT have a nice combine. He was just good to look at. He ran a 5.3 40 and only did 19 reps of 225. Compare that to Dontorri Poe from Memphis who, at 340 lbs. ran a 4.8 40 and had 44 reps at 225. BUT, the game film shows that Brockers is the better player under the lights. So while Poe is probably rising, Brockers is not necessarily dropping. He needs to improve at pro-day though to quiet any whispers. Brockers is thought of as a project that is good enough to play now and get better on the field, but he's nowhere near as dominant as he can be.

Main thing I've heard about Claiborne is, they know he's faster than his 4.5 40 indicates and he's got the best hands of all DBs. I think he ended up at 4.47. Put that kid on a field and he runs a 4.3, lol. Draft stock just fine.

Although RR didn't do anything particularly great at the combine (aside from catch the ball) he had a decent enough performance that he's getting some possible 1st round love. Clocking a 4.5 40 helped as well. He should definitely be gone by 2nd round. I saw a few mocks that had him going in the 26 range to the Texans. According to his sis, if the Saints don't get to franchise Colston and have to let him walk, they will draft RR if he's available when they finally pick. I'd imagine the Saints will also make a hard charge for Reggie Wayne if he doesn't follow Peyton wherever he goes, should Colston walk.
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I was really shocked that Brockers didn't show better than 19 reps @ 225 when, like you said, Poe had 44 reps.

I believe Brockers is better than this but I hate that he didn't have a better showing, hopefully it will not hurt his draft status.

Tiger in NC, Mar 1, 2012

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StaceyO said: ↑

How many college graduates are serving up burgers at McDonald's?

Seriously, the vitriol that surrounds JJ is astounding. He was a Tiger, right?
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There are a lot actually. I was a reading an article the other day from the Bureau of Labor Statistics that said as of 2008 approximately 35% of college graduates end up in jobs that don't normally require a college degree. Those jobs include waiter/waitress, cashier, and... yes... fry cook.

That being said, JJ will not be flipping burgers. He'll play football somewhere for a while either in the UFL, CFL, or end up on an NFL practice squad. He's apparently the greatest practice QB that ever lived. Someone will sign him.

cul2969, Mar 1, 2012

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cul2969 said: ↑

There are a lot actually. I was a reading an article the other day from the Bureau of Labor Statistics that said as of 2008 approximately 35% of college graduates end up in jobs that don't normally require a college degree. Those jobs include waiter/waitress, cashier, and... yes... fry cook.
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In this case, I'm happy I earned my degree 20 years ago.

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Tiger in NC said: ↑

I was really shocked that Brockers didn't show better than 19 reps @ 225 when, like you said, Poe had 44 reps.

I believe Brockers is better than this but I hate that he didn't have a better showing, hopefully it will not hurt his draft status.
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Don't think he has to worry, he'll still be in that 10-20 range, with few things, maybe in the top 10. Long time till draft day. Remember how short of time he's spent in college and in college games, too much upside......with the right team, he'll do very well in the NFL.

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asignupe99 said: ↑

Brockers DID NOT have a nice combine. He was just good to look at. He ran a 5.3 40 and only did 19 reps of 225. Compare that to Dontorri Poe from Memphis who, at 340 lbs. ran a 4.8 40 and had 44 reps at 225. BUT, the game film shows that Brockers is the better player under the lights. So while Poe is probably rising, Brockers is not necessarily dropping. He needs to improve at pro-day though to quiet any whispers. Brockers is thought of as a project that is good enough to play now and get better on the field, but he's nowhere near as dominant as he can be.
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this article had him as a "Combine loser" and said he "looked shockingly unathletic"

2012 NFL Combine: Full combine winners and losers - CBSSports.com

this article also talked about how Brockers was a "Combine loser"

Michael Brockers, Dwight Jones among 2012 NFL Combine losers - Mocking The Draft

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bhelmLSU said: ↑

These are actually pre combine grades... I looked over this last week.
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bhelmLSU said: ↑

Oh Damn and I heard Mr. Guilbeaux used these for an article today. LMAO
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at And The Valley Shook, PodKATT blasted Guilbeau for it:

Most of the internet has had a good chuckle the last few days over a piece by the man from Gannett in which he said Jordan Jefferson had a horrible combine and was the worst rated player there, worse than even Purdue's kicker...

The problem here is that the man from Gannett was lazy. The score and quotes from the NFL are all pre-combine and the article tries to pass them off as being from after the combine. In reality, Jefferson rated in the top 5 in every single workout QBs participated in at the Combine and was the leader at his position in the Bench Press and the 20 yard shuttle.

I'd like to point you now to an updated article, which mentions this mistake and corrects it, but as you might expect, I can't. The article has vanished into the ether of the Gannett publishing system, though thankfully this is the internet where nothing disappears, so you can still read the article anyway.

Look, no one here is saying Jordan Jefferson is a 1st round pick who has no problems and is the perfect QB, but he's still a great athlete who had a great combine and I wouldn't be surprised if he does get drafted somewhere.

This has been lesson #394 in Why You Should Not Trust Anything Glenn Guilbeau Writes. How many times do we have to say it before it sinks in, Internet?
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Link Gumbo 3/2/12 - In Which Jordan Jefferson IS NOT The Worst Rated Player At The Combine - And The Valley Shook

Guilbeau came out and published a new article where he made it sound like someone else made the mistake, not him:

A story that moved on various websites of Gannett newspapers on Wednesday afternoon involving former LSU quarterback Jordan Jefferson's ratings at the NFL scouting combine that concluded Tuesday was incorrect.

The comments used from NFL.com about Jefferson were mistakenly written as if they were said after the combine when they were actually comments on Jefferson leading into the combine. Jefferson was ranked the lowest of 315 players entering the combine, not exiting it.
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Jefferson combine report incorrect | The News Star | thenewsstar.com

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Tiger_fan said: ↑

Guilbeau came out and published a new article where he made it sound like someone else made the mistake, not him:
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Now Guilbeau wouldn't happen to have written any articles dogging JJ for an "everyone is at fault except me" attitude, would he?

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bhelmLSU said: ↑

Oh Damn and I heard Mr. Guilbeaux used these for an article today. LMAO
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It seems to have been pulled . . .

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cul2969 said: ↑

There are a lot actually. I was a reading an article the other day from the Bureau of Labor Statistics that said as of 2008 approximately 35% of college graduates end up in jobs that don't normally require a college degree. Those jobs include waiter/waitress, cashier, and... yes... fry cook.
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That mostly includes those with degrees in fields where there has never been a hell of a lot of entry-level employment opportunities. Music theory, drama, fine arts, literature study, history, foreign languages, etc. Those fields are hard to find starting jobs that pay anything at all. They have to go out and make a name for themselves by performing, selling their art, writing books, and such before they find themselves hirable for decent pay. Meanwhile they support themselves by waiting tables, driving cabs, delivering pizzas and other "day jobs".

Engineering, education, IT, graphic design, medical, and science departments, etc. produce grads that can walk right into jobs.

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red55 said: ↑

Engineering, education, IT, graphic design, medical, and science departments, etc. produce grads that can walk right into jobs.
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The dirty little secret about engineering is many companies hire grads with no intention of having them do actual engineering work. There's a good number who get moved into management within 5 years.

But back to Guilbeau: either he is in horrendous denial about the quality of his journalism, or he has the best sense of irony on the planet.

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