New Arizona Immigration Enforcement Laws

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    It wasn't a defense of Obama, obviously. It was a shot at Bush and the peabrains who worship his memory.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    And more are continuing to be hired, but it wasn't close to enough and still isn't.

    He failed to attack the demand side. He favored allowing US business to keep employing illegal aliens. The problem has to fought from both sides--supply and demand. Stop the jobs and they can't afford to come over.

    "America's immigration system is outdated, unsuited to the needs of our economy and to the values of our country. We should not be content with laws that punish hardworking people and deny businesses willing workers and invite chaos at our border. "--George W. Bush
     
  3. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Call it what you want; excuse? The fact is when Obama's (in)actions are brought into questiin you either defend him or blame Bush. I don't worship the memory of W. Quite the contrary. I realize that he is out...gone...no longer a factor. I suspect the cranial legume is under your hat.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I blame placing the entire problem on Obama, when he's only been in charge for a year and none of the last four or five administrations have done anything effective. The point, that you missed, was that both parties are letting election politics interfere with taking concrete action.

    I've seen the little shrine in your yard.

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    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    The point you miss is that the buck cannot be passed backward. Obama's in office. Sh!t or get off the damn pot.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Yes, the problem is Obama's now to fix or fail to fix. But it is a problem he inherited and his predecessors share the blame for it's size. That's why I don't let Purp get away with labeling everything that he doesn't like as an Obama/Democrat issue, when it is far more complex. The GOP has done nothing better and proposes nothing better.
     
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    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Strange how those standards didn't apply when Bush was in office.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    But they did. I never held Bush accountable for problems he inherited.
     
  9. PURPLE TIGER

    PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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    I never said Bush was a great president and Obama sure in the hell isn't. Regarding immigration...both parties fail. Regarding most problems in this country...don't look at Bush or Obama. Look at this current Congress. The last three years have been our worst in history. Defend them or blame soemone else all you want but any intelligent person KNOWS they're to blame for most of our problems...period!
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Congress has been declining in effectiveness and in public support for 30 years now and I ain't sure what its all about. Changing hands between parties doesn't seem to change much. It may be the polarization of the parties into far right and far left parties with a few scattered moderates. From WWII into the 70's, the parties were both mostly left- and right- leaning moderate with a few scattered extremists. The intolerance to accept any part whatsoever of the other party's policies is leaving a power vacuum in the middle, waiting for someone to establish a moderate party that can compete with the left and right. The progressive Democrats are not ready to cut loose the liberal ideologues and the enlightened republicans are not ready to cut loose the conservative ideologues.

    Something has to happen for the center-leaning democrats and republicans to find more in common with each other and less with the radical elements. I don't know what.
     

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