My rant over Lowe's pulling their ads from American Muslim.

Excuse me but you left out the first part of what I said which happened to be the one of the most important parts. I hate Muslims?
Maybe you should go visit Pakistan and other countries where women and others are oppressed, daughters and people put to death, Sharia law and then give me your misguided views.

 

I haven't really been looking at this in a supporting Muslims or not supporting Muslims kinda way.
I looked at it like this. Personal freedoms of both individuals and business must be protected at all cost.
If a corporation doesn't want to place an ad on a Muslim show it's no bodies business but theirs.
Personal freedom has been eroded for years. If you own a rent house you can't even choose who you will and will not rent to.
I understand that everyone should be treated equally. But where does one person's equality start and someone elses rights ends.
To say that it's unfair that lowes pulled it's adds for a Muslim show contradicts the rights lowes has to spend it's add money where it wants to.
I guess there is many ways to look at things.

 

I agree with you but SOME are missing some of the points I made here.
I totally agree with you BUT this senator from California talked about terrorists, he talked about Tim McVeigh and others of which I have NO PROBLEM with. My problem is he left out, ignored those responsible for 9/11
While targets LOWES because they dropped their ads from a MUSLIM show.
This isn't directed at you RWilliams but some here aren't reading the links provided or understanding what they have read, one or the other, simple as that.

 

Are the people profiled on All-American Muslim doing these things?

Are you making a very fine distinction between the Muslim religion and those who practice it and so you hate the religion and not the people who practice it? If not then what am I missing? In the APA article you posted, it says:

So all Muslims living in america are bomb making, limb severing extremists? There aren't 'normal' muslims out there working jobs, raising kids, and trying to live peacefully? This can't be true. I know and work with several that are doing just that (or so it appears).

And this is interesting:

The my God angle. Is this the God of the old testament or new? The Catholic God? The Evangelical Christian God?

The next passage is interesting but I won't quote it here. I won't waste time refuting using the Bible or Koran to prove the relative peacefulness/violence of Christianity or Islam. I think we all know how that will go.

Putting words into each other's mouth that no one spoke sure is fun, but not persuasive.

There is already a thread about this started some time ago. No one really bought this idea, then.


My views are not misguided. There are people who commit or have committed atrocities in the name of Christianity, democracy, and other such things. I just choose to remember this fact. Seems like Muslims in those countries who do those things are a few hundred years behind everyone else in determining what to take literally and what not to take literally in their sacred texts.

 

I honestly can't answer this truthfully can I but I suspect no or maybe some yes, some no. There are terrorist cells in this country.

NO, You don't know me but yet you say I hate this and that.
NO, I said what I did based on the senator bringing up terrorists BUT conveniently leaving out Muslims and then attacking Lowes for not sponsoring this Muslim show.
I have a problem with Muslim's including Sharia Law that does what it does based on that religion. Has nothing to do with hate.
Also I have said nothing based on Muslims in this country other than the shooter from Fort Hood that was also left out from the Senators letter.
He is ignoring some facts to make his case
The facts are Muslims do behead people and oppress people all around the world. The Taliban and many others, Iranians, etc.
I know that there are some Muslims that do or don't practice their religion, there is no problem with those.

I never said any of this, I don't know where you get this from but I suspect you are misunderstanding what I have said. I don't know how that is possible.
I have been clear here talking about how Sharia Law and Muslim extremism works in other countries. I also think some totally ignore what the Koran says.

I am glad to hear your views aren't misguided, you scared me but believe me.
I don't know what happened here because you clearly have not understood where I am coming from. This is a message board and its hard to get the context of many things.
All I did is point out that this senator left out an awful lot of information about terrorists and acts in this country. It was convenient and hypocritical of him for taking up for a Muslim show and list all terrorists except the Fort Hood Shooter and those that committed 9/11.
YOU can't denounce that or the fact that others do what they do around the world, I mean women are demeaned and treated badly in some parts of the world, put to death, kids put to death in the name of Allah.
Everything I said about the Muslim terrorists were based on facts.
I have never said people don't commit acts of violence in other religions. Just pointing out the obvious that this senator chose to attack all of those except Muslims. Maybe that is our problem right there. I just pointed out what he chose to ignore, nothing more.

Btw, I am not saying that I agree 100 percent with everything in the articles I posted. I have stated my case in my own words not an article.

 

I'm taking the religious aspect out of it.

As an American , or an American company, you shouldn't be forced by the government or by threat of a law suit to do something so someone elses political sensitivity is satisfied.

Let's say you have small kids. You have a rent house next door. Someone wants to rent it that is dressed in all black and has chit pearced all in their face and is covered in tatoos. You think they set an example to your kids you don't condone. Are you in violation of their rights telling them they can't rent your place?

What if it's two dudes. One is dressed like a Catholoc school girl and the other has on purple and pink leather pants with the arse cheeks hanging out. By not renting to them are you violating their civil rights?

If a company doesn't want to advertise on a show promoting Muslims , are they to be sued because they violate the muslim's rights? What if a company doesn't want to place an add on a show that promotes any religion? What about a company that doesn't want to place an add on a show that doesn't promote a relgion?

Where does one person's or group's rights to not be discriminated aginst trump the individual's right or business' right to spend their money, rent to or promote who or what they want to. That's the main thing I see here.

This California democrat shouldn't have a damn thing to say about where lowes spends it's money. To be fair, no politician or judge should be able to force you to promote any lifestyle you find offensive or rent to someone you don't want living in your property.

Where am I wrong here? I'm sure red will be able to educate me on my misgivings. Please enlighten me on my mental shortcommings.

 

Just because you have some Muslim friends that aren't extremists doesn't make the case that there are or aren't some out there or people that they don't know. I don't think you can prove this to be black or white one way or the other. I think it is probably true and false. Yes many organizations such as Hamas and Hezbollah, Muslim cells do want to destroy the fabric of American Society. Can you prove otherwise?

 

Very good post!
I agree with you just like your other post. The problem that I see is the more Political correctness and sensitivity takes over the less black and white things become. Years ago if you had young kids and gangsters wanted to rent from you, you would turn them away and no one would think anything of it. After all people want to protect their children from certain situations, is is instinct, the same any person or animal would do to protect their young.

 

some muslims certainly do want to destroy america, but some christians do as well.

i wouldnt worry about some tv thing or whatever, dude.

 

No I can't. I haven't seen the show but there is probably a reason that the show is called All-American Muslim and not All-American Jihadi. I would have to assume the Muslims that TLC is profiling are not terrorists and are just people who have mortgages, children, and who make their women cover their heads. (Unless TLC's vetting process is really, really bad).

And with the exception of the 'legislative remedy' part of Senator Lieu's letter, I don't really see anything else that problematic. He is free to call for a boycott if he wants, just as some other religious group that is offended by 'normal' looking Muslims on tv is free to call a boycott if Lowe's doesn't pull their ads. Basically his point is that we all know about the Muslim terrorists, so what's so bad about a show that shows kinder,gentler muslims? I, personally, find it insulting to suggest that I, or anyone else, is going to take Muslim terrorists (or any other kind of terrorist) any less seriously because of this show.