more people receiving disability than getting new jobs

yeah and cut unions out, love your corporations and de-regulate and elect Mitt Romney and that number is going to quadrouple because the rights of workers will be washed down the toilet. Oh wait nevermind, there will be no disability, or social security, or medicare. Just a big ass fence with missles on it, and if you get sick, BRING OUT YOUR DEAD!!!!! You guys aren't going to be happy until we are in some orwellian country run by coporations are you. Unless you are part of the 1% which I doubt very seriously any of you are.

 

Fail world champion.

 

if a corporation has a dispute vs a labor union, the labor union colluding to raise labor prices, and the corporation willing to simply pay different workers to work for less, then why should they not do that?

you do understad what unions do, right? they are explicitly formed for the purposes of collusion to control prices. most of them are terrible. in fact teachers unions are the reason our education system is crap. well more accurate the government laws that mandate the way unions are to be forceully respected.

lasalle, we are pals, listen to me for a second. everything you hear from liberal about feelgood nonsense isnt true. you dont just choose a side that seems more noble an side with them. you dont just imagine that workers are always right and corporations are always wrong. it just isnt that simple.

i know romney seems like an asshole. i know. calm down. he is still better than obama.

labor unions should be free to negotiatiate deals with corporations. but there are also people (workers) who do not want to join the unions. they do not want to deal with labor politics or strikes or whatever, they will work for less rather than have their jobs sent overseas. so let them be. let people do what they want. i know you think corporatins are evil or whatever. well, go to a nation that really enforces controls on the corporations in the name of the worker and you will see that those places are shitholes. the protections you think people deserve simply are most efficiently provided by the market. the government is really corrupt and always will be, every single time. so you dont want them siding with unions in labor disputes. you dont want them siding with corps either. the key, THE ONLY THING that really protects people is freedom of choice. and i know it sounds counterproductive, but in almost all cases that means less labor regulation.

even if the US had zero labor regulation the worker would have it better off than he does in vietnam if they had crazy protections in place, because what really protects the worker is a prosperous nation where people have choice. and nations get prosperous by having governments that are small and control as few things as possible, fr lots of reasons, but partially because anything you try to fix or protect will often result in more things for the government to corrupts and mismanage. the bigger the government is, the more they are motivated to be corrupt.


so, for exmaple, if you side with autoworkers and they demand all sorts of crap, and the corps simply taes the jobs overseas, you are to blame. let the labor disputes wok themselves out.

and read the rent control thread and learn why we shouldt blindly side with the little guy in an economic dispute. ultimately favoring either side hurts both. leave people alone.

the rights of workers, the thing you just claimed to care about, these rights, they are important. but they are provided by choice, not by regulation.

 

apparently I'm part of the 10% that doesn't need the fucking govt to feed, clothe, shelter or wipe my ass like so many of todays teenagers and young wanna be adults. I don't need a union to tell me how to vote and when to take a break and how much i'm worth. I work and learn how to do my job better than the rest of the guys and then I go to the owner and say I need more money and he looks at performance and credentials and we negotiate. I don't need to stand behind a union boss or a dozen other workers. that's how most of the corporate presidents and ceo's got their positions. Its called Manning Up.

 

Unions are terrible but so is your assassins creed 3 poster

 

lol!! a friend of mine that is a private security contractor and ex Army Airborne in afghanistan sent me that. i kinda like it. don't be hatin man

 

point blank i was once a union member 12 years down the drain,worked in the freight industry and because of the bill jimmy carter signed opened the door for trucking companies to work without joining a union,and after my company closed during a strike,what did the union do for me nothing,so ask me about unions.