"Moderate islam Does Not Exist"

Well…if it was mild, I would indeed proclaim that it isn’t salsa, but that is beside the point. Okay Turbo…then back up your assertion. I have an open mind. Prove that Islam is moderate.

 

And you ignore unequivocal proof and intentionally delude yourself when it varies from your ludicrous perception.

Uhm…not only do you ignore proof and delude yourself from reality, but your reading comprehension sucks as well. Read the title of this thread turbo! Except this time look up the words in the dictionary to make sure you understand what they mean correctly.

O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. Koran 5.51

CRCC: Center For Muslim-Jewish Engagement: Resources: Religious Texts

Excuse me…but what is your definition of a moderate Muslim? Please define exactly what constitutes a moderate Muslim to you.

As for as my logic goes, I’m just not blind by political correct multiculturalism the same way that you are, and I certainly haven’t had my moral compass destroyed by moral relativism the same way you destroyed your own moral compass. Not to mention that I’m far more equipped than you are to ascertain whether a Muslim is blowing wind up your ass than you are, since I have examined and studied the authoritative text of Islam while it is obvious that you haven’t.

In addition, in case you didn’t know but Muslims can’t pick and choose or exploit certain texts of the Koran as the Koran is only taken by ALL devout Muslims in its most literal sense, since all devout Muslims have been inculcated to believe that it contains the wholly uncreated words of Allah as delivered by Allah’s final messenger Muhammad.

Thus, as for as ALL devout Muslims are concerned, the words contained in the Koran are perfect. After all only God can be perfect, and because those words are perfect, they are also immutable. Which means that reforming Islam is also absolutely impossible, and history is replete with the litter of thousands of dead Muslim bodies put to death for heresy over the centuries that made the blasphemous mistake of attempting to reform Islam.

You are damn right I would because it is, and it is a ruse that you are making out of complete and utter ignorance.

You are a damn liar, first of all, and also an ignoramus! And only fools make idiotic assertions they can’t possibly backup.

Yes interfaced. I most certainly didn’t become their friends. Moreover, I have never interfaced with one that denounced the Hezbos or Hamas as being terrorists and all of them were anti-Semitic to the core.

 

Actually, it is bigoted to use the actions of Muslim terrorists to vilify and demonize Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, etc. etc., etc. and the institution of religion itself in general, which is exactly what you have been attempting to do, and if you believe that your bigoted and idiotic argument has any merit, then where are the Christian suicide bombers, Buddhists suicide bombers, Hindu suicide bombers, and Jewish suicide bombers? In other words you are intentionally painting with a very broad brush to smear and demonize all religions because of the actions of only Muslims, and if that isn’t extremely bigoted, then nothing is. Thus, get over yourself bigot.

Moreover, while the topic of this thread is regarding whether or not Islam really is a moderate religion, for it to be bigoted it would have to be filled with lies, libels, innuendos, and half-truths, since merely discussing whether or not something is moderate or not does not constitute bigotry, unless you are a Muslim who wants to shutdown all debate on Islam.

Thus, if you are going to try to proclaim that I am bigoted for merely starting a topic to discuss and debate whether Islam is moderate or not, then please point out my lies, libels, innuendos, and half-truths. Forgive me if I won’t hold my breath, as it is clear that not only has your moral compass been rendered null and void, but that you are also terribly confused as well.

Lets see…you are so morally confused that you are not only conflating Timothy McVeigh with Islamic terrorism, but you are also presenting another completely invalid moral equivalence argument. For instance, how many Timothy McVeigh terrorist attacks has there been relative to the number of Islamic terrorist attacks around the world? I’m sorry but it is obvious that one Timothy McVeigh terrorist attack inside America doesn’t equate with the thousands of Islamic terrorist attacks committed by Muslim terrorists around the world.

Moreover, I hate to rain on your idiotic parade again but I don’t hate Muslims. However, I denounce Islam.

Nice try at trying to brand me a racist when it is more than obvious that you are a bigot. Nevertheless turbo, Muslims constitute all races. Not that I have anything against Muslims, but Islam is a different story.

In any event, can you point to a single incident when Muslims resorted to fighting against non-Muslim kafirs or even against fellow Muslims, for that matter, when they didn’t resort to the tactics of total warfare? That is to Islamic terrorism in emulation of their holy prophet Muhammad?

Thus, I don’t even consider the kind of terrorism Timothy McVeigh perpetrated to be the same as the kind of terrorism that is committed by Muslims, since McVeigh was a true political extremists, whereas Islamic terrorism, on the other hand, is waged and perpetrated by devout and pious Muslims in emulation of their holy prophet and because of the Islamic imperative to make Islam supreme throughout the world.

Indeed, all devout Muslims whenever they fight and no matter what the circumstances will always resort to the tactics of total warfare in emulation of their holy prophet, as all Mohammedans model and pattern their life off of Muhammad. Sort of like all Christians try to model and pattern their life off of Jesus Christ. The difference being though, Jesus Christ advocated turning the other cheek, while Muhammad, in stark contrast, issued open-ended commands to slay all the unbelievers until Allah’s religion is made supreme over all others.

If anyone has demonstrated that they are backwoods and a hillbilly in this thread that person would be you. I mean I have not tried to paint with a broad brush all religions as evil incarnate because of the actions of only Muslims as you have done. Not only that, but I have not one time been dishonest about Islam or any other religion the same way you have either. Thus, if anyone is guilty of being backwoods and a hillbilly, not to mention a bigot too, then you need to look in the mirror because that person would be you.

Uhm…where have I even ever criticized America in this thread or in any other? Now, it is true that I don’t agree with multiculturalism and cultural relativism because they are forms of cultural communism meant to divide and conquer us from within. However, that has nothing to do with disliking America. Oh…and by the way, your piss poor attempt to brand me a racist also miserably failed in case you aren’t intelligent enough to digest that fact.

 

How? By disseminating the truth about Islam?

 

spikke may be an artificial life form, but nevertheless he has certainly exposed the fact that you are a religious bigot.

 

congrats on "exposing" the most obvious thing about me.

 

sure the copts have problems, but millions of them live there and have lived there for a long time. there is no genocide or civil war. 20 dead in a decade is pretty minor.


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are you just arguing semantics? if all you are trying to say is that islamic dogma is radical, then ok, but if you are saying there are no moderate muslims then how so? you deny there are people that claim to be muslims and have moderate views? or are you saying these people are not real muslims?

a moderate muslim is not a terrorist, nor do the support terrorists ideologically or with money.


there is no way you know what "ALL" muslims believe all you can know by studying islam is islam and not its practitioners.
Thus, as for as ALL devout Muslims are concerned, the words contained in the Koran are perfect. After all only God can be perfect, and because those words are perfect, they are also immutable. Which means that reforming Islam is also absolutely impossible, and history is replete with the litter of thousands of dead Muslim bodies put to death for heresy over the centuries that made the blasphemous mistake of attempting to reform Islam.

"ignoramus"?! im convinced now that you are 14.

how should i back it up? would you like an affidavit from them? perhaps i should have video evidence of my conversations with muslim friends.

 

Religous bigots? Where? I had gotten the idea I was alone in that regard.....have they sent in reinforcements?

 

I don’t know what it is you are smoking but whatever it is, it must be some very strong and powerful stuff.

What about the 2 million black Christians and animists slaughtered by the janjaweed jihadists in Sudan from 1982 to 2002 and the thousands of them sold into slavery, and what about the 400,000 slaughtered in Darfur since 2003 and the thousands of them sold into slavery, none of that counts either? How about the plight of the Christians in Iraq, it’s just run of the mill sectarian violence to you? Sort of like the 500 Christians hacked to death in Nigeria by Muslims last week, or all the recent church burnings in Malaysia and Indonesia, it is all much ado about nothing. Just like all the Buddhists being beheaded in Thailand by Muslims and the Christians beheaded in the Philippines also by Muslims, and never mind the Mumbai massacre of Hindus and Jews, or the Hindus that have been slaughtered in Kashmir, or the Hindus murdered in Bangladesh, or the Christians slain in Pakistan, or the Christian Serbs being ethnically cleansed from Kosovo, etc., etc. etc. It is all over and gross exaggeration as for as you are concerned.

Dude…you are afflicted with a very serious case of bury your head in the sand syndrome. Here no evil, see no evil must be the motto and creed you live by.

No just trying to keep you on topic and from dodging the issues.

Never said there were no moderate Muslims. However, the moderate Muslims, i.e., the bad Muslims, make up a small percentage of the international Islamic ummah. While pious Muslims, or those Muslims that devoutly adhere to the texts and tenants of Islam, make up the much greater percentage of the international Islamic ummah.

In other words, it is just the opposite of what we have been misled to believe, and the fact that Islam is not a religion of peace can be determined by just a cursory review of the authoritative Islamic texts and the obvious actions of Muslims both inside outside their own countries.

In other words, a moderate Muslim is a bad Muslim as the good Muslims are the ones who fulfill Allah’s obligation for jihad, whether that is through violent means of jihad or via non-violent means of jihad, and an example of violent means of jihad would be the 9/11 WTC terrorist attacks, and an example of non-violent means of jihad would be Saudi Prince Alaweed bin Talal’s purchase of a 7 percent stake in News Corp, which owns Fox News, and then Fox News’ subsequent unprecedented attacks on Geert Wilders.

You seem to be trying to put words in my mouth. Is that some sort of off the wall debate tactic?

Hey…I didn’t make an idiotic, immature, and really stupid boast that I had Muslim friends, but you did, and it’s not my fault that you didn’t know beforehand that it is haram (forbidden) for Muslims to become friends with kafir infidels, lest they become one. Indeed, I would never allow myself to be backed up into a corner that way the way you did.