"Moderate islam Does Not Exist"

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  1. spikke

    spikke Veteran Member

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    FJORDMAN on "moderate Islam"


    I do not believe that there is such a thing as a moderate Islam, and have been quite clear about that since I started writing. I disagree with observers such as Dr. Daniel Pipes on this particular point. I'd like to say to Pipes that I enjoy much of his work. I have linked to it a number of times before and intend to do so in the future as well. However, I get increasingly disturbed by how many people keep repeating the mantra of reaching out to "moderate Islam" when I have yet to see a single piece of evidence that a moderate Islam actually exists.


    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/08/atlas-exclusi-2.html
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The United States has significant military facilities in 20 Muslim countries.

    The United States has formal non-NATO alliances with 6 Muslim countries

    The United States has a major NATO military ally in Turkey where we have stationed nuclear weapons.

    The United States has gone to war against a Muslim nation with 11 other Muslim nations as military allies.


    Attempting to conflate a few thousand terrorist extremists with 1.8 Billion Muslims worldwide is absurd. Muslim countries do what is in their best interests. When they disagree with us they take issue with us. When they agree with us they cooperate.

    Just exactly like Israel, who foolishly repudiated the United States last week, and boy is it going to cost them.
     
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    saying moderate islam doesnt exist is like saying a mild salsa doesnt exist. and then when i serve you a plate of tostitos with tasty mild salsa, you just claim "this isnt salsa".

    whats the point?
     
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    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    I like to say SAL SAAAAAAAAA
     
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    you exaggerate. marginalized better describes the copts existence in egypt.

    i thought the discussion is not an academic one about islamic dogma but about people that practice islam.

    you are paranoid. your logic is that of truthers, birthers, and terrorists. there is nothing any muslim can do to make you believe they are moderate i suppose because there are islamic extremists that exploit certain islamic scripture.

    i have been friends with muslims, but im sure youd say that was a ruse.


    ive never known one that supported israel, but i have known several that did not hate jews.

    "interfaced"?
     
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    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    So its bigoted to group religions together but not to single 1 out. I must have missed that meeting.

    There isn't a nation of Terror, first of all, and its not a faction of Islam. There are a group of nut jobs who want to kill people. Gee, Timothy McVay did the same thing. Your hatred for Muslims is not only ignorant, but without substance. See your definition of "terrorist" only means brown guy who worships allah. That is so inaccurate its pathetic. As a matter of fact i am done with this conversation because you are obviously a backwoods hillbilly who probably hates anyone and everyone that isn't white anyway. If you don't like America, and you don't like the fact that we are a nation of many different races, creeds, religions, etc. Get the hell out. Move to Finland i'm sure there are plenty of pale white people you can live with.
     
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    spikke is an artificial life form who merely interfaces with humans. he is currently running the latest software for generating nonsense output.
     
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  10. spikke

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    And that’s is a testament to how extremely blind by political correct multiculturalism our federal government has become. I mean to anyone who has been halfway paying attention, it is not a very big secret that the left has managed to hijack and co-opt our federal government, which sadly today includes our military as well. Not to mention that via the Red-Green alliance, our federal government has also been thoroughly infiltrated by Muslims as well.



    1.8 billion Muslims? Wow…they must be screwing and multiplying like rabbits! I think you need to lay off the caffeine turbo; it’s affecting your brain.

    I’m not attempting to do anything much less conflate anything with anything. The reality is there is no such thing as a moderate Islam. Examine the authoritative text of Islam in proper context and it is unequivocal that Islam obligates all Muslims to jihad for the expansion of Islam. Indeed, it’s the sole underlying purpose of Islam.

    Now, if you disagree with that reality, then put your money where your mouth is and back up your contention with evidence and facts. However, it is extremely obvious to me that you can’t because you don’t have the first clue of what it is the texts and tenants of Islam actually inculcate. In fact, you know exactly nothing about Islam, except for the garbage you have been fed and swallowed by your leftwing elite.



    Which explains why they vote against us in the UN almost all of the time.



    Israel did no such thing. It announced that it was going to build an additional 1600 housing unit for Jews inside Jerusalem, just like it had announced hundreds of times before in the past without any condemnations from anyone much less the White House, and the Obama administration all of a sudden went ballistic. Had Israel been aware that the announcement would create a manufactured international scandal, they would have withheld the announcement until after that loon, Biden, had left.

    Now, 4 months ago in order to appease the Obama administration the Netanyahu government did announce a very unpopular (inside Israel) 10 month moratorium on building in the disputed territories, but the 1600 housing unit complex to be built is not in the disputed territories. Instead, it’s inside Jerusalem proper in Jewish neighborhoods and also on land that Israel has long proclaimed that it never would compromise.

    Hence, this dust up was manufactured out of whole cloth by the Obama administration. It’s not clear at this point what the Obama administration is up to. But whatever it is, nothing Obama and his cohorts would do would surprise me. After all, Obama was a proud member of Reverend Wright’s anti-Semitic church for over 2 decades and claims as close friends the late Edward Said, Rashid Khalidi, William Ayres, Samantha Powers, and Susan Rice among other useful idiots.

    I’m guessing at this point that it is just meant to deflect attention away from the fact that Obama’s foreign policy is miserably failing with respect to Iranian nuclear weapons and also to throw his hardcore leftists and Muslim friends in the Red-Green allegiance that keep demanding the destruction of Israel and the annihilation of Jews a bone.

    Nevertheless, I can’t say that I’m surprised since Obama has made it clear from the very beginning that he is siding with the Muslims, while alienating our friends and allies and at the same time that he also foolishly moves to appease our Muslim enemies.

    In any event, since Biden left Netanyahu has announced that building in the disputed territories will resume in 6 months as soon as the previously announced moratorium is over. Hence, it is obvious that Netanyahu has had as much as he can take of the Obama administration and that he is going to move to rally the support of the many more Americans inside the USA that support Israel than don’t. Thus, in the long run this manufactured fiasco will end up hurting Obama far more than it will Israel.

    Not to mention that the peace process that Biden was over there trying to kick start was never a legitimate peace process to begin with but instead a political ploy (taqiyya) designed from the very beginning to weaken Israel until the final assault can come. The Dar al Islam’s jihad against Israel is permanent and will never end until either Israel gets destroyed and the Jews annihilated, or otherwise until the international Islamic ummah becomes too weak to pursue jihad.
     
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