"Moderate islam Does Not Exist"

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  1. flabengal

    flabengal Founding Member

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    Do you have a link to that list? I found a list that looked awful similar and WWII was not included.

    The link, please?
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I think you can in this case.

    That is a valid objection.
     
  3. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    did the nazi's kill jews that had converted to christianity? ive always thought it had more to do with racial purity than religion, although they are not mutually exclusive. thats why they killed all manner of non-jews, too.
     
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    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    toga, toga, toga. i mean, tora, tora, tora! i mean torah

    there are a lot of christians in egypt that seem to be getting on ok. quite a few jews before israel too.

    im curious. have you personally ever known a muslim?
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Palestinians have a higher percentage of Christians among them than Israelis do.
     
  6. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    There are radicals in every religion. Hell look at these nutters who have the signs saying "God wants dead soldiers" and crap like that. If you start kicking muslims out, you need to kick every religion out.
     
  7. spikke

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    There are? Okay…please point to radical Christians who are perpetrating terrorist attacks at the same rate as Muslims and citing the religious text of Christianity in detail the same way that Muslims always make a point to do to justify there terrorist attacks.

    Also, please point to radical Buddhists who are perpetrating terrorist attacks at the same rate as Muslims and citing the religious text of Buddhism in detail the same way that Muslims always make a point to do to justify there terrorist attacks.

    Also, please point to radical Hindus who are perpetrating terrorist attacks at the same rate as Muslims and citing the religious text of Hinduism in detail the same way that Muslims always make a point to do to justify there terrorist attacks.

    Also, please point to radical Jews who are perpetrating terrorist attacks at the same rate as Muslims and citing the religious text of Judaism in detail the same way that Muslims always make a point to do to justify there terrorist attacks.

    Thus, what you are attempting to do is trying to conflate the actions of Muslim terrorists with all other religions in order to vilify and demonize the institution of religion itself.

    In other words, you are taking the actions of Muslim terrorists and then attempting to use those actions to smear and vilify all religions as inherently evil and that argument is extremely specious to say the least.

    Now, it is true that Islamic terrorists commit vial acts of depravity then judiciously use the text of Islam to justify their vial barbaric acts, but the reality is there is nothing equivalent or comparable to that taking place in any other religion.

    I mean if your argument has any validity to it then where are the Christian suicide bombers, and the Buddhist suicide bombers, the Hindu suicide bombers, the Jewish suicide bombers, and etc., etc., etc.?

    What you are doing is taking the actions of Muslim terrorists and using them to smear and vilify all religions alike, and not only is that an invalid argument, but it is also an extremely bigoted one on top of it as well.
     
  8. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    your conditions are too narrow.

    did you know that i am the smartest, most handsome, and nicest person in the world sitting at my desk right now?
     
  9. spikke

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    With all due respect, you must be incredibly ignorant if you believe the Christian Copts aren’t being systematically persecuted, discriminated against, and often violently oppressed by Muslims in Egypt.

    YouTube - Jihad against Coptic Christians in Assiut, Egypt

    YouTube - Copts Under Siege 2/2

    YouTube - massacre of christian copts in Upper Egypt

    YouTube - Copts Under Siege 1/2

    YouTube - Christian Persecution : Egypt

    YouTube - Jihad Against Christians 1/08/10

    Toronto: Copts protest Muslim persecution in Egypt - Jihad Watch

    Egyptian sheikh decries Muslim persecution of Coptic Christians there -- no, wait... - Jihad Watch

    Copts to demonstrate at White House against Muslim persecution of Christians - Jihad Watch

    Tell me…do you ever leave that enclosed cocoon you must live in?


    Please explain to me how would just knowing a Muslim make me understand more about Islam? Has it made you understand Islam better? I mean I have known many Hindus and Buddhists, but I didn’t learn a damn thing about their religions by merely just knowing them. Why would knowing a Muslim make me know more about Islam?

    Not to mention also that if you weren’t so incredibly ignorant, naïve and gullible to begin with, you’d know that it is haram (forbidden) for Muslims to befriend non-Muslims. Now this is not to say that they can’t appear outwardly cordial and friendly towards us, as long as inwardly they maintain the proper level of hatred and disdain for us in their hearts.

    Let me ask you another question, have you ever known a Muslim that didn’t openly hate Jews and despise Israel? How about a Muslim that openly denounced Hezbollah and Hamas as terrorists?

    To answer your silly asinine question, I have interfaced with numerous Muslims, but never with a Muslim that didn’t hate and despise Jews and Israel and that would also openly denounce Hezbollah and Hamas as terrorists. However, none of those Muslims had a suicide belt or vest strapped onto their bodies, does that mean that they were moderate Muslims?
     
  10. spikke

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    That used to be case just a few years ago, but not today as there has been a mass exodus of Christians in recent years due to systematic persecution, discrimination, and often violent oppression of non-Muslim kafir infidels that not only takes place in the Palestinian areas, but also throughout the Islamic world, save for maybe some of the former Soviet Republics where Islam was long suppressed.

    It is known that Christians make up between 40,000 and 90,000 people, or 1.1 to 2.4% of the population of the Palestinian territories. Most are in the West Bank, though there is a community of 5,000 in the Gaza Strip. Palestinian Christians in Israel number between 144,000 and 196,000, or 2.1 to 2.8% of the total population, and about 8.8% of the non-Jewish Arab population.

    Palestinian Christians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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