Miles takes back the scholarship offer to Luther Davis

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  1. Perple

    Perple Founding Member

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    Terry,
    You apparently think Mike S. has some emotional envolvment here. Luther's scholarship was yanked by our coach not Mike S., and it has been verified by sources in the athletic department & Luther's coach. Whatever claim he made about not knowing the rules is ridiculous.
     
  2. ccgw

    ccgw luv'em Tigers

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    I would like to know for an LSU commit who suddenly decided wanting to take a visit to another school, what should be the proper procedure? Should they let LSU staff know of their intentions to get the permission? I am sure that they would get the permission, maybe with a gentleman's agreement that they would be informed of their decision soon after their visit to avoid the yanking of the scholly. How is the case with McCoy? I am sure McCoy would have had his visit without as much a problem had he been more up front; maybe he was afraid of the chit he would get from his community for visiting Bama, and therefore the lie. I also do not believe he didn't know about the policy that he not look at other schools after the commit.
     
  3. cajdav1

    cajdav1 Soldiers are real hero's

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    I'd say that is a fair assumption of how it would work. However the permission would come with the codocile that LSU will not consider you a commit any longer since you are looking around. I'm sure in some cases the schollarship offer would not be yanked, but it wouldn't be held either if another player the staff thought just as highly of wanted it.
     
  4. cajdav1

    cajdav1 Soldiers are real hero's

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    All of this stuff was actually verified and an ongoing saga with Sonny at scout too. He had the same reactions, the same comments by Luther, etc. All the way down the line. He also has saved his text messages that Luther sent him so that he can document all of the lies to him, right on down the line.

    But what is even more telling is that Luther has admitted some of this, although his character prevents him from telling the whole story. He apologized to the media and said he apologized to the staff about the lying. He still says that Miles did not rescind the offer and wanted him at LSU even though his own high school coach aknowledged that it was taken away. Sonny has text evidence of Luther saying that he made a mistake, wanted to attend LSU, that he would apologize to the staff fior lying to them and beg to stay in good standing, etc.

    Judges instruct jurors that if a witness lies than they believe that he has lied about everything to further a cause, and they do this because it has been proven over and over again that a person is usually honest or dishonest, there is no in between. You can sit there in the face of overwhleming evidence that Luther has lied on numberous ocassions about damn near every aspect of his recruiting to several different people and believe him in this instance simply because you want to believe it. Your rationality has gone out the window my friend.

     
  5. OkieTigerTK

    OkieTigerTK Tornado Alley

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    I call this pure BS. If anyone thinks that Miles and his staff don't make it clear what the rules are, they are wearing houndstooth colored glasses. There are a lot of comments being made by recruits that give every indication kids are being made aware of the rules.


    In other words, she is pissed that both she and her baby boy were busted for lying.
     
  6. CParso

    CParso Founding Member

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    Sonny texted Luther to ask if he was in Alabama (after he had been spotted there). Luther responded no, that his uncle's funeral that day. Either later that day or the next, it became apparent that Luther was lying as several sources confirmed that he was in Alabama. When asked again, Luther again lied & said he had not been to Alabama. Not until a couple days later when it became apparent to Luther that no one would believe the lie did he admit that he had been on campus.

    Put this through your "logic test". Luther had his scholarship offer revoked - this has been confirmed by his coach. Why would the coaches revoke his offer if he hadn't lied to them? We didn't pull McCoy's when he visited WVU. In fact, to my knowledge we never stopped considering him a commit either.

    I'm not sure where you are getting your time frame, but it is wrong.


    Every recruit is told that if they commit to LSU then they are expected to not take any more visits. In fact, Luther wanted to commit early in the process to LSU & then take visits but we told him no, to go on his visits & then commit when he was ready. So he & his mother definitely knew the rule.

    Mike S. wasn't the only person in on this. Sonny at Scout was as well, and each got their stories their own way & with their own sources.
     
  7. ccgw

    ccgw luv'em Tigers

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    Simply put, I do not think the staff would want to take on and deal with a player with character or integrity issues. For any good teams, there are high expectations for discipline and commitment.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Terry, you think that Mike Scarborough is the only source of information that we have? Is he yours? No. Coaches can't comment on players publicly, but there is a grapevine in the Athletic Department.

    Just remember that you could well be wrong and you are making an asumption about Scarborough that amounts to a wild-ass guess.

    Do you think it is reasonable that Miles feels strongly about his policy (which every other committment has followed) and just forgot to tell Luther Davis? Not bloody likely. The "admonishment" they received was being informed that the scholarship offer was in danger and LSU was shopping around to fill the position. Upon being lied to again, the offer was pulled.

    Don't take Scarborough's word, Coach Shows publicly reported to the Baton Rouge paper that LSU pulled its offer from Davis.

    I imagine they are very embarrassed about blowing their recruiting and getting caught in public lies, but this player (and his mom) have little credibility at this point and they are spinning the story further. And so are you, amigo.

    Scarborough has earned his reputation, Terry, and it is a good one. He has a public media site and good reson to maintain his credibility to hi spaid subscribers. The kid lied repeatedly to Scarborough and Scarborough reported it, which is why Les Miles quickly checked on his commit and got lied to as well.

    Davis didn't get his offer pulled for visiting Bama. He was informed that LSU would also be shopping around to fill his slot (Saban also follows this doctrine). Davis got his offer pulled for lying to Les Miles face about having gone to Bama.
     
  9. bayou_bandit74

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    Just out of curiosity, why was McCoy handled differently? Is it because he was honest? Im not sure it shows fairness though to allow him to take a visit and there be no reprocussions.

    Anyways, it sucks to lose a good player like Davis because its not a given we can pick up a good replacement, but still I happy with him being ousted. Character and honesty still have to count for something in this world. He is a perfect fit over there with $aban.
     
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  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    McCoy apparently didn't lie to coach Miles about it. There may have been repercussions, like the "you shop, we shop" policy, or even a possible pulled offer. McCoy just isn't lying to the media about it and the coaches are forbidden from public comment.
     

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