Michael Clayton throws Gruden under bus

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  1. CajunPunk

    CajunPunk TF's Resident Realist

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    Chris Carter was drafted in the 4th round of the 1987 NFL supplemental draft. He wasn't expected to contribute immediately like a 1st rounder in a regular draft. Big difference.
     
  2. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    ok then, Tim Brown taken #6 overall in the exact same draft Davis went #27 overall

    147 catches, 2245 yards through 5 seasons

    was he a bust?
    4th all time in catches
    3rd all time in receiving yards
    6th all time in TDs

    If you want to call Davis a bust because his career ended so early, then I'm ok with that.
    But he ain't the 1st guy to take a few years to adjust. It happens.
     
  3. CajunPunk

    CajunPunk TF's Resident Realist

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    Much better comparison. And yes, I agree that Tim Brown was not a bust; however, I am willing to bet Raiders fans were getting a little restless. I would also imagine Tim Brown is a rarity. 1st rounders generally contribute or they are busts. Rarely, from my recollection, does a 1st rounder take 5 years to adjust.

    For example...

    '99 - Tory Holt caught on quick, the rest sucked

    '00 - Peter Warrick sucked, Plaxico caught on after a year, Travis Taylor sucked, Sylvester Morris had bad injuries, and R. Jay Soward was horrible

    '01 - David Terrell sucked, Koren Robinson had one good year, Rod Gardner fell off, Santana Moss took 3 years, Freddie Mitchell was terrible, and Reggie Wayne only took a couple years.

    '02 - Ashlie Lelie, Javon Walker, and Dante Stallworth all suck or are overrated.

    Anyway, that's taking too long to make the point.
     
  4. houtiger

    houtiger Founding Member

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    I don't think Wendell Davis was a bust. I used to watch him with the Bears, and they were a run oriented offense in those days. Wendell was their go to guy when the chips were on the line, as I recall, and he delivered in the clutch what I could see. He wasn't a star, but not a bust either. I'd call him a good steady player for an average length of time, average NFL career is 5 years.
     
  5. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    I am pretty sure Tim Brown was making up for it in the return game during those first 5 years.
     
  6. BuickMakane

    BuickMakane Sign of things to come?

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    Exactly. Much like the Texans inexplicably taking Jabar Gaffney over Clinton Portis, which any CFB at the time knew was idiotic.
    So sayeth the former expert on such matters who mayeth returneth.
    :hihi: That's as good a first round analysis as you'll see of WRs. Further making your point, Koren "Boozehound" Robinson had his best year early -- second year, I think. Too lazy to look up.

    Agreed. Wendell Davis was a fine receiver for da Bears, especially given their offensive strategy.
     
  7. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    I wouldn't call Davis a bust. More like a late bloomer who had a career-ending injury just as he was starting to come into his own.
    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaviWe00.htm
     
  8. CajunPunk

    CajunPunk TF's Resident Realist

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    Yeah, if houtiger is correct in saying the Bears were only a running team, which could be the case, I wouldn't call him a bust. Maybe a "bust" because of injury, but not a real bust.
     
  9. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    just did a lil research on them

    # of plays
    • '88 -> 555 run / 461 pass
    • '89 -> 516 run / 484 pass (Davis = 89yds shy of team lead)
    • '90 -> 551 run / 430 pass (Davis lead team in yards)
    • '91 -> 502 run / 497 pass (Davis led team in yards & catches)
    • '92 - > 427 run / 479 pass (Davis led team in yards & catches)
    The Bears were below league average in pass attempts every year but 1 (finished dead at it that year)
     
  10. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    The entire irony in all of this was the fact MClayton had the most significant impact on why the Bucs offense was so average these past 5 seasons, ultimately costing the offensive guru Gruden his job.

    Had he lived up the hype, who knows how that offense would have been tranformed. They always had the D to make a run in the playoffs.
     

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