Manny Ramirez to be suspended 50 games for performance enhancing drugs.

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  1. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    Re: Manny tests positive....suspended 50 games

    So Manny's legacy is done.

    Is there anyone that will be untouched from this era when all is said and done except maybe Jeff Bagwell? Obviously he didn't take steroids cuz his shoulder never got better in a "miraculous" fashion and had to retire. Well played Jeff.
     
  2. Nastynemec4565

    Nastynemec4565 Just waiting on Strasburg

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    Re: Manny tests positive....suspended 50 games

    Haha a little off subject of the thread but Adam Dunn's misspelled jersey sold for $8,000.

    Anyway, can't we just chalk this one up to Manny being Manny? He gives up about 7 million of his contract money for being dumb. But it will be interesting from now on the clauses that will be included in new contracts regarding testing positive for a banned substance (whether you lose the whole year's salary, voided contract, etc.)
     
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    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    Re: Manny tests positive....suspended 50 games

    Tested positive for HCG, a drug bodybuilders use for forcing their bodies to produce testosterone naturally after coming off a cycle of steroids.

    Manny needs to come clean and save face.

    That probably won't happen.

    And the beat goes on.....
     
  4. mobius481

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    Well that leaves absolutely no doubt in my mind that he's dirty. Like Izzy said, why carry on with the charade. No doc prescribed him HCG for some other issue he had.
     
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    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.aspx

    Using HCG
    It is our opinion that HCG is probably one of the most misunderstood and misused compounds in bodybuilding. Hopefully this information will go some way towards rectifying that for the members of MuscleTalk. HCG stands for Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin and is not a steroid, but a natural peptide hormone which develops in the placenta of pregnant women during pregnancy to controls the mother's hormones. (Incidentally, this is the reason you may hear of people testing for growth hormone (HGH) with a pregnancy testing kit - If their HGH shows 'pregnant', they've been ripped-off with cheaper HCG - but we digress slightly).

    Its action in the male body is like that of LH, stimulating the Leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone even in the absence of endogenous LH. HCG is therefore used during longer or heavier steroid cycles to maintain testicular size and condition, or to bring atrophied (shrunken) testicles back up to their original condition in preparation for post-cycle Clomid therapy. This process is necessary because atrophied testicles produce reduced levels of natural testosterone, this situation should be rectified prior to post-cycle Clomid therapy.

    HCG administration post-cycle is common practice among bodybuilders in the belief that it will aid the natural testosterone recovery, but this theory is unfounded and also counterproductive. The rapid rise in both testosterone, and thus oestrogen due to aromatisation, from the administration of HCG causes further inhibition of the HPTA (Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis - feedback loop discussed above); this actually worsens the recovery situation. HCG does not restore the natural testosterone production.

    The typically observed dosing of 2000 to 5000IU every 4 to 5 days causes such an increase in oestrogen levels via aromatisation of the natural testosterone that this has been responsible for many cases of gynecomastia.

    From the above discussion it is clear that HCG is best used during a cycle, either to:

    1) Avoid testicular atrophy, or
    2) Rectify the problem of an existing testicular atrophy.

    Doses of HCG
    Smaller doses, more frequently during a cycle will give best overall results with least unwanted side effects. Somewhere between 500IU and 1000IU per day would be best over about a two-week period. These doses are sufficient to avoid/rectify testicular atrophy without increasing oestrogen levels too dramatically and risking gynecomastia. This dosing schedule also avoids the risk of permanently down-regulating the LH receptors in the testes.

    It is important for the HCG administration to have been completed with 6 or 7 clear days before the onset of PCT in order to avoid inhibition of the Nolvadex and/or Clomid therapy. Also, a small daily dose (10-20mg) of Nolvadex would normally be used in conjunction with HCG in order to prevent oestrogenic symptoms caused by sudden increases in aromatisation.

    Presentation and Administration of HCG
    Synthetic HCG is often known as Pregnyl (generic name) and is available in 2500iu and 5000iu (not ideal for the above doses!). Administration of the compound is either by intra-muscular or subcutaneous injection. It comes as a powder which needs to be mixed with the sterile water. The powder is temperature-sensitive prior to mixing and should not be exposed to direct heat. After mixing, it should be kept refrigerated and used within a few weeks - though there are sterility issues which need to be considered after mixing.
     
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    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    Re: Manny tests positive....suspended 50 games

    they do in the dominican im sure if not on the street.

    i read he took a sexual enhancing drug. i suppose something to do with testosterone would make sense.

    maybe the one big papi pimped in the dominican? it was pretty creepy. it was some off-brand viagra and he said something like ohh big papi.

    it was in spanish but still funny. too lazy to look for it.
     
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    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    cliffs notes:
     
  9. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    well at least he only used as a Dodger, not a Red Sox.
     
  10. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    really?
    I'm probably the biggest manny fan on this board.
    Was pissed when the Sox traded him. But I'm not naive enough to believe this just started in the last few months.
    Aside from 2 "down" years ('97 - 26 homers & '07 - 20 homers), his numbers have been unbelievably consistent. He's like a machine.

    Odds are, he's been doing this for a while now.
     

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